Meengla
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I hope a certain Iranian and certain Pakistani here are reading your post. They know I am referring to them!
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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I hope a certain Iranian and certain Pakistani here are reading your post. They know I am referring to them!
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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There is nothing that Iran can do without starting a war where it will be further isolated. What Iran can do however is keep its redlines clear and defined and act upon them when the time comes. These resources and facilities are effectively Iran's leverage and protection against any aggression against it's own infrastructure and facilities. Meaning the world that is invested in it and needs it will lose access. And that cannot be taken away...
Iranian retaliation, accuracy and reach demonstrated it's capability and created a new deterrent. The reason for this aggression was however a totally different reason... it was US and zionist self sufficiency in oil that in part motivated this aggression because they could get away with murder... as they have for now. It is the rest of the world that has to understand that they're under US sword that wants to undermine their wellbeing.
Iran therefore has a lot more to gain by going and reaching out to those who've been victims of this along with Iran. To actively find an alternative to the system that stops propping up their own tormentor and overlord.
Meengla
Elite Member
Yes, I know the amassing of the troops. And I am sure the Iranians also know that. Still, why did the Iranians agree to the ceasefire in the second week of April if it was not in their own interests? No Pakistan, no China could have coerced them to the ceasefire. Iranians needed the ceasefire for some very good reasons as do the Americans.
Only the Israelis don't like the ceasefire or any end to this war. That much the whole world knows by now.
Master Chief
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Alternative routing remains a time consuming and expensive solution. Even if USA circumvents Hormuz, it won't be cost effective. If Iran sustains the blockade, then USA (and anyone else Iran chooses to levy excessive charges against) loses out.
Flotilla
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They will take advantage, for sure.
But Irán will also take advantage of those days. After the 12 days war, there was evidences that iranians reconstructed in weeks their missile factories and restarted production.
Additionally if there is even a slight deal for some months obviously that window will bring sactions waivers at least (probably even complete sanctions relief, even if they´re temporary).
Don´t forget that Russia must still deliver Su35 and with more money from oil trade and freezed funds, more stuff will come (Yak130 and Mi28).
as long as Israel exists there wont be peace in the world....Iranians are smart people i am sure thy are aware of this fact them giving time to Us/Isr to rearm must be because they are themselves low on ammo!
FUB
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It is all theater. There is no deal.
KingQamaR
Elite Member
The Saudis lie through their theet whenever they say anything. They're absolutely untrustworthy.
Yes, but I also think that people tend to overrate the duration it will require to successfully navigate the Arab energy exports around the Strait of Hormuz. This is a crucial issue for the survival of the GCC nations. They will invest everything into this project.
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The question is no longer just how to secure the strait, but whether the global energy system can afford to depend on it to the extent it has for decades.
If the current trajectory continues, Hormuz may remain critical, but no longer dominant, experts argue, as countries invest in new routes, new partnerships and a more diversified energy map.
US-backed pipeline proposal targets global reliance on Strait of Hormuz amid Iran threats
The Strait of Hormuz crisis is pushing Gulf states and the U.S. to develop alternative energy routes, reducing dependence on one vulnerable choke point.www.foxnews.com
The situation is more intricate than just constructing new pipelines. Their strategy is multi-faceted, incorporating additional countries such as Turkey in the hopes of enhancing deterrence. They are also focused on circumventing the Red Sea bottleneck.
You are right. We mustn’t trust Saudi & GCC LEADERS.
But the gulf states see a future coming with the US going home and a unsanctioned Iran still in power.
and they have to arrange themself with that.
US& Trump really did f up with this war.
Meengla
Elite Member
To be the Devil's Advocate, Rubio is not far off. But then the Americans themselves have broken the global order which the Anglo Saxons built and built for the good of the much of the world. Now middling powers piggybacking on the destruction. I heard somewhere that countries (Indonesia?) thinking about the Strait of Malacca for 'toll charges'. The Old Order is dying and sadly those who built it are themselves destroying it and others just adding to the destruction.
This can't end well for the world if continued. I hope something peaceful, durable comes out when Trump meets President Xi.
Meengla
Elite Member
Good enough for me and probably for the world. There is no future option to 'mow the lawn' against Iran. It is better the Americans go home unharmed while Trump declares a big 'victory'. Only Israel will sweat in this outcome.
ISLAMABAD/WASHINGTON/DUBAI, May 7 (Reuters) - The United States and Iran are edging toward a temporary agreement to halt their war, sources and officials said on Thursday, with Tehran reviewing a proposal that would stop the fighting but leave the most contentious issues unresolved.
Iran's foreign ministry spokesperson said Tehran had not yet reached a conclusion on the emerging plan, which according to the sources centres on a short-term memorandum rather than a comprehensive peace deal, underscoring deep divisions between the two sides.
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Hopes that even a partial deal could lead to the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz have already moved markets, with oil prices sliding again on bets that supply disruptions could ease and global stocks largely holding onto record highs.
Tehran and Washington have scaled back ambitions for a sweeping settlement as differences persist, particularly over Iran's nuclear programme - including the fate of its highly enriched uranium stockpiles and how long Tehran would halt nuclear work.
Instead, they are working toward a temporary arrangement set out in a one-page memo aimed at preventing a return to conflict and stabilising shipping through the strait, the sources and officials said.
"Our priority is that they announce a permanent end to war and the rest of the issues could be thrashed out once they get back to direct talks," a senior Pakistani official involved in mediation between the two sides told Reuters.
The proposed framework would unfold in three stages: formally ending the war, resolving the crisis in the Strait of Hormuz and launching a 30-day window for negotiations on a broader agreement, according to the sources and officials.
Tehran said Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi held a phone call on Thursday with Ishaq Dar, his counterpart in Pakistan, which has taken a leading role in mediation efforts.
"We remain optimistic," Pakistan's foreign ministry spokesperson Tahir Andrabi told a briefing in Islamabad when asked how quickly a deal could come.
"A simple answer would be that we expect an agreement sooner rather than later."
ISLAMABAD/WASHINGTON/DUBAI, May 7 (Reuters) - The United States and Iran are edging toward a temporary agreement to halt their war, sources and officials said on Thursday, with Tehran reviewing a proposal that would stop the fighting but leave the most contentious issues unresolved.
Iran's foreign ministry spokesperson said Tehran had not yet reached a conclusion on the emerging plan, which according to the sources centres on a short-term memorandum rather than a comprehensive peace deal, underscoring deep divisions between the two sides.
The Reuters Iran Briefing newsletter keeps you informed with the latest developments and analysis of the Iran war. Sign up here.
Hopes that even a partial deal could lead to the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz have already moved markets, with oil prices sliding again on bets that supply disruptions could ease and global stocks largely holding onto record highs.
Tehran and Washington have scaled back ambitions for a sweeping settlement as differences persist, particularly over Iran's nuclear programme - including the fate of its highly enriched uranium stockpiles and how long Tehran would halt nuclear work.
Instead, they are working toward a temporary arrangement set out in a one-page memo aimed at preventing a return to conflict and stabilising shipping through the strait, the sources and officials said.
"Our priority is that they announce a permanent end to war and the rest of the issues could be thrashed out once they get back to direct talks," a senior Pakistani official involved in mediation between the two sides told Reuters.
The proposed framework would unfold in three stages: formally ending the war, resolving the crisis in the Strait of Hormuz and launching a 30-day window for negotiations on a broader agreement, according to the sources and officials.
Tehran said Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi held a phone call on Thursday with Ishaq Dar, his counterpart in Pakistan, which has taken a leading role in mediation efforts.
"We remain optimistic," Pakistan's foreign ministry spokesperson Tahir Andrabi told a briefing in Islamabad when asked how quickly a deal could come.
"A simple answer would be that we expect an agreement sooner rather than later."
Aziqbal
Elite Member
Now you know the reason why Americans were begging for a ceasefire
Truth is coming out but slowly and more will come out as time goes on
Iran has hit over 250 American targets with pin point accuracy
Shortly after the war began, America's two largest satellite imagery providers, Planet and Vantor, bowed to government requests to withhold imagery of the region while the conflict continued.
But Iranian state-affiliated media published scores of high-resolution images
Truth is coming out but slowly and more will come out as time goes on
Iran has hit over 250 American targets with pin point accuracy
Shortly after the war began, America's two largest satellite imagery providers, Planet and Vantor, bowed to government requests to withhold imagery of the region while the conflict continued.
But Iranian state-affiliated media published scores of high-resolution images
Watandar
Elite Member
Whirlpool says Iran war is causing havoc with US consumer sentiment. This is among the reasons Trump wants out but is trapped by Netanyahu and his own ego.
www.cnbc.com
Whirlpool says Iran war causing 'recession-level industry decline.' The shares are down 12%
"War in Iran resulted in recession-level industry decline in the U.S. as consumer confidence collapsed in late February and March," the company said.
www.cnbc.com
Flotilla
Trusted Member
Exactly, they´re pragmatic, so Irán must be respond pragmatically.
