Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

They can import 1.2 billion Indians... Phull sapport saar

I saw several weeks ago that Israel was planning to increase the Indian workers brought to Israel around 50,000 persons. When those people are working in 'civilian' areas then the Israeli manpower could be used for military purposes. And while that may sound 'business' it show how desperate Indians are to leave India--going even into a war zone. Israeli society, especially Tel Aviv, was mostly shut down in the recent 40-day war with Iran.

 

[KAL-EL]

One thing which frustrates me is that China is hell bent on proving to the US that it's not interested in competing with US hegemony, to the extent that even Xi mentioned it infront of trump, Bro America doesn't care that you're not interested in competing, they'll always try to cut your legs and bring you down no matter how much you try to appease them and they'll never stop, they'll forever see China as threat to their world order and won't let you build another one unless you bring them down. Now I believe Chinese to be much much smarter, certainly more than me so they must know what they're doing...but conditions dictate that you prepare accordingly, that US will strike when the time is ripe, so I would stop explaining and start preparing to bring the US down or go down yourself... 2 Kings can't rule a kingdom, 2 superpowers will never coexist peacefully... US is neutralizing threats one by one so it can focus fully on China, You guys are the eventual target whether you like it or not, whether the Americans will succeed or not that's another story, the crux of the matter is that China is America's arch nemesis and forever will be until it's been tamed by them...I suggest you go on YouTube and watch any video with Chinese weapons and see the comments from westoida below, how they talk about temu toys and that they'll annihilate them easily

Why care about what a bunch of randos on YouTube say? They have no power and are keyboard warriors. Much like many here actually.

 

[Meengla]

But Pakistan can access Chinese weapon systems, including their latest fighter jets.
China will most definitely veto any anti Pakistan resolution in the UNSC.
China can also invest and trade with Pakistan as well.
So, isn't all that Pakistan needs from China?

Not a thread about Pakistan-China but you are right. That's basically all Pakistan needs. People shouldn't forget Pakistan is a nation of 250 million , so manpower is not an issue. Reuters yesterday even disclosed that the Pak-Saudi Defense Agreement allows up to 80,000 Pakistani personnel deployable to Saudi Arabia if needed. 80,000!!
In the context of this war, China and Pakistan, as they often do in geopolitics, are working very closely together to stop this war.

 

[BHAN85]

We are not saviors. I think America should gradually die out, rather than be directly slain. This aligns with what we are currently doing.

There was a kind of rhetoric before that a war between the Soviet Union and the United States would destroy the Earth. Would a war between China and the United States not destroy the Earth?

Good days require everyone's effort, not expecting two giants to go to war directly. The United States and the Soviet Union did not take this approach, and China and the United States will not take this approach either.

We welcome other countries to join us. Directly providing food can only fill your stomach for a day; once you learn the technology to grow it yourself, you can eat well regularly. China likes to be a teacher rather than a savior.

Soviet elite accepted the defeat.

USA elite is not accepting anything.

China can't beat USA by peaceful means.

USA behavior towards China since 2015 is give things to China to share the world, but USA wont never accept China ordering anything to them.

A Partnership with China to Avoid World War

International cooperation is in decline both in the political and financial spheres. The UN has failed to address any of the major conflicts since the end of the cold war; the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference left a sour aftertaste; the World Trade Organization hasn’t concluded a major...

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Same year it started experiments with SARS virus, few months after.

A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence - PMC

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A good partnership!

Years later, EU suicide themselves following USA orders, giving all the Russia market and energy to China. Another American gift to please China.

Will it be enough? We will see in the Iran war restart.

 

[KAL-EL]

So you expect China to stick out its neck to fight the Americans and Indians in the wars happened recently. Unrealistic expectations.

^this
People are projecting their own hopiem on China. Like they want to use China as their personal shield or something.

There are actually some people here that were convinced China was going to go to war directly with the US over Iran.

I'm against the war but sorry China is not going to start world war 3 over Iran

Some people need to be more realistic and live in the real world.

 

[Winthorpe]

Explosions were heard on Tuesday on Iran's Qeshm Island, the country's Mehr News Agency reported, saying the cause was unknown.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

British Airways has suspended flights to Israel until August 1.

 

[Yasser76]

British Airways has suspended flights to Israel until August 1.

More cost cutting then anything else I reckon

 

[MH.Yang]

Bro, you can talk this kind of manner to the Chinese members, but most non-Chinese members are expecting China to act as the messiah to counter against the non-stop bullying from the US imposing on the world.

Paradoxically, the continuous development of China has undoubtedly weakened the US hegemony, whether it is intentional or not.

We cannot ignore the objective fact that the US hegemony can no longer sustain against the continuous development of China.

And the world could become more dangerous, and we do need more counter measures to face the worst possible scenario.

Bro, you can talk this kind of manner to the Chinese members, but most non-Chinese members are expecting China to act as the messiah to counter against the non-stop bullying from the US imposing on the world.

Paradoxically, the continuous development of China has undoubtedly weakened the US hegemony, whether it is intentional or not.

We cannot ignore the objective fact that the US hegemony can no longer sustain against the continuous development of China.

And the world could become more dangerous, and we do need more counter measures to face the worst possible scenario.

Direct military conflict between China and the United States would lead to the destruction of the world. It would be a force of destruction, not salvation. The only thing China should do is make the United States back down in the face of difficulty.

 

[Kattarpajit]

This is why I say no one in the West takes China seriously. They're just after money, nothing else. Pakistanis get excited thinking China will come to their aid. Well they will...as much as they came to the aid of Iranians or any of their 'allies' - lip service basically.

off topic but I believe Pakistan is the only rare exception for China, reputable Chinese geopolitical analysts like Victor Gao have repeatedly said in multiple interviews that China will fully support Pakistan in safe guarding it's sovereignity and territorial integrity... May 2025 is also a testament to this

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

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️– The latest Iranian proposal to the US demands:

The right to uranium enrichment.

A ceasefire on all fronts, including Lebanon and Gaza.

Lifting of the U.S. naval blockade.

The release of all frozen Iranian assets held abroad.

Compensation for war damages.

An end to all economic sanctions.

Withdrawal of all UN Security Council resolutions against Iran.

Withdrawal of the U.S. military from the Persian Gulf region.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

off topic but I believe Pakistan is the only rare exception for China, reputable Chinese geopolitical analysts like Victor Gao have repeatedly said in multiple interviews that China will fully support Pakistan in safe guarding it's sovereignity and territorial integrity... May 2025 is also a testament to this

The relationship between China and Pakistan is deeper than we think.

This is what was published in the Chinese People's Daily in 1965.

As long as the Indian government continues to oppress the Kashmiri people one day, China will not stop supporting the Kashmiri people's struggle for self-determination; As long as the Indian government continues to unscrupulously aggression against Pakistan one day, China will not stop supporting Pakistan's anti-aggression struggle for a day.

This is what was published in the Chinese People's Daily in 1975.

The Chinese people resolutely support the just struggle of the Kashmiri people for the right to self-determination and the just position of the Pakistani government and people on the Kashmir issue.
The Kashmir dispute is a legacy of the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947. India and Pakistan have had armed conflicts over the ownership of Kashmir. In 1948, the United Nations adopted a resolution on the settlement of the Kashmir dispute in three stages: ceasefire, demilitarization and referendum. The governments of India and Pakistan have accepted the resolution, and the two sides have also reached an agreement to "hold a fair and impartial referendum" to resolve the Kashmir dispute. For more than 20 years, Pakistan has consistently adhered to UN resolutions and agreements between India and Pakistan, advocating a referendum in Kashmir. However, the Indian government has repeatedly broken its promises in an attempt to annex Kashmir to India. To this end, the Government of India has not only brutally suppressed the struggle of the Kashmiri people for the right to self-determination, but has even launched an armed attack on Pakistan. In recent years, the Indian government has stepped up its activities to change the status of Kashmir, and after annexing Sikkim, it has now annexed the Indian Territory of Kashmir, openly and unilaterally announcing that the Indian Territory of Kashmir is officially an integral part of the Indian Federation. This action by the Indian government fully exposes its expansionist face, which not only violates United Nations resolutions and tramples on the right of the Kashmiri people to self-determination, but also harms peace and stability in South Asia.

The sacred right of the people of Kashmir to strive for national self-determination is inalienable. The people of Kashmir will never cease their struggle for the realization of the right of their people to self-determination. Their just struggle has been supported by the Pakistani people and all countries and people who uphold justice. The Chinese people have always supported the Kashmiri people's struggle for self-determination. We believe that the Kashmir problem must be resolved in accordance with the aspirations of the Kashmiri people themselves, and that any arbitrary approach imposed on others will not work.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

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️– The latest Iranian proposal to the US demands:

The right to uranium enrichment.

A ceasefire on all fronts, including Lebanon and Gaza.

Lifting of the U.S. naval blockade.

The release of all frozen Iranian assets held abroad.

Compensation for war damages.

An end to all economic sanctions.

Withdrawal of all UN Security Council resolutions against Iran.

Withdrawal of the U.S. military from the Persian Gulf region.

One more requirement than the original: lift the U.S. military blockade.

 

[PakistanLVR]

I've been reading the comments the few past days and need to say its unfair taking out the micro-aggression on the Chinese for not actively interfering in this conflict. They are helping in their capacity. The Chinese are single-handedly focused establishing full spectrum dominance so when the time comes to fight, they will fight. They will not take their eyes off the ball. I'm 60 now and old enough to remember Col. Qaddafi in the 19802, saying the the Islamic world giving the Chinese full support in their struggle with the West to which the Chinese politely decline any sort of confrontation.

The ones here wanting the Chinese to actively get involved, maybe your first priority should be that you get involved in your country of origins national politics to fix the issues there. Expecting outsiders to come and fight for you is not going to happened. Even in the 1% chance it does, the outsiders will have their own interests which will clash with yours. Just my two cents while reading the comments unfairly demanding the Chinese to step in. The Iranian leadership is fully confidence in what they are doing hence why they aren't seeking active participation from others. That's a matured nation and society.