Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Flotilla]

Of course they are. I am a great admirer of the Chinese culture. I have never downplayed the achievements or the importance of the Chinese civilization.

I'm just saying that just because China is growing, it doesn't mean that the US and Europe will turn into Africa the moment their places are reversed.

That aside, building an empire takes more than just science and technology. The US inherited an empire from the British. I mean look at us, we are communicating with each other in English right now. Can you imagine us communicate in Chinese in the near future? I don't think that's possible in the next 5-10 years at all.

The US is not an empire because it has the lead in science and technology. That's just one aspect of their superiority in recent decades. There's more. It's more than money and knowledge.

As for Iran, most of our infrastructure either dates back to the time of the Shah, or before 2008 sanctions. The rest of our infrastructure has been built domestically with our own engineers.

Don't lie yourself.
Not only China gave Irán raw material and political support in international arenas like UN, but also half of the agreement came from them.

Do you realize that the Agreement came days after US Donald Trump went to visit Xi Jingping?. Seems obvious that China warned US that they will continue supporting Irán.

Even some international press said that they suggested to leave supporting Taiwán just to rid of Irán to them and Israel. And Xi was explicit.

China has been backing Pakistán from the day one. Without China Irán would be still engaged against to peer adversaries with a certain fate of defeat.

 

[ShapurII]

Agree with the first parts. But how do you suggest we settle our differences with the US? You want us to surrender to the Zionists?

These people say that the United States has surrendered to Iran. Well, what does surrender mean? We should be able to dictate our terms to the US now, no?

Anyway, back to reality, if Iran truly survives the war with the US, and the US understands that 20 years of planning to overthrow the Iranian system has failed and it is not possible, eventually they will have to settle our differences with Iran. That's what they did with China in the 80s. The US puts pressure on Iran because they think that they will eventually defeat Iran through maximum pressure and war. Once they know this plan does not work, they will choose a more rational path.

Russia hasn't been communist since 1990. Idiot!!! If you think the U.S is honest about its casualty numbers you are an even bigger moron than I thought. I guess you would believe everything your White savior tells you, huh?

Russia wasn't truly communist even before the fall of the Soviet Union. But that's not the point. The point is that these ex-communist countries like China and Russia have never helped any of the weaker countries associated with them grow.

I call them communists because it pisses them off, and it pisses people like you off. You can call them the Eastern bloc, if that please you.

I remember how fools like you claimed that the US had lost tens of people, even hundreds, in Ain al-Assad. A few months later, Gen. Salami said that they had mercy on American soldiers, refuting all your claims about large number of deaths in Ain al-Assad. If you think we have killed more than 15 American soldiers, you should prove it. Neither the IRGC, nor the US or other media claim a higher figure.

You guys even claimed Iran had taken POWs during the war. What happened to that by the way?

 

[Jango007]

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[Immortals]

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[Master Chief]

They are dangerous,

Iran for all its limitations is FREE

I'm not saying China and Russia are better, what I am saying is Iran should be looking for ways to make itself capable of fulfilling it's needs with support, but the west is infiltrated with Zionists and neo cons

Precisely this.

The west remains split between those who analyse events critically, objectively, and on the basis of rational logic, and those who are funded by AIPAC and its various equivalents.

China certainly is not parasitised in this way.

Russia may well be, actually.

 

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Qalibaf going to meet Vance. Seems like Qalibaf seems to think Vance has a shot at that White House in 2028. Big blunder by Iran, I would have insisted on the hardline Rubio who is likely to be Republican nominee.

 

[mangekyo]

Define free. Iran cannot even trade normally with the world. You guys really live in your own world of selective facts. The US and Israel can launch a new war on Iran any time they see fit and force Iran to accept a ceasefire when they get tired of war. Iran has been cornered, yet you guys pretend that Iran has emerged as the dominant regional power and soon will force its terms on the United States.

Russia is Zionist to the core. I don't understand why people think Russia is some sort of counter balance against the Zionist West. Zionist Jews were the core of the Bolsheviks. Putin himself is a Zionist. Nearly every influential politician in Israel is a Slav and you guys think Russia will side with Iran and is better than the Zionist West?

As for China, I don't understand why you guys don't get it. Trump says China didn't help Iran. China says they didn't help Iran. From what we see in the war, China hasn't helped Iran. Even the IRGC has not even once claimed that they have received help from China. Yet some clowns here like that shargh-geda fool think otherwise.

Russia and China being our allies is just American/zio propaganda to turn Iran into another fake threat to the Europeans. Its another version of the propaganda that Iran is trying to kill all Sunnis and replace them with Shias to gang up Sunnis against Iran. Or that Iran has a Persian imperialistic agenda to turn the Persian gulf arabs against us. Its remarkable how effective dumb propaganda is. People need to wake up.

 

[Meengla]

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Mobilizing when there is virtually zero chance of a land invasion and no mass uprising? Unless they are planning to march toward Israel, makes no sense?

 

[mangekyo]

These people say that the United States has surrendered to Iran. Well, what does surrender mean? We should be able to dictate our terms to the US now, no?

Anyway, back to reality, if Iran truly survives the war with the US, and the US understands that 20 years of planning to overthrow the Iranian system has failed and it is not possible, eventually they will have to settle our differences with Iran. That's what they did with China in the 80s. The US puts pressure on Iran because they think that they will eventually defeat Iran through maximum pressure and war. Once they know this plan does not work, they will choose a more rational path.

I don’t believe Trump wants a deal. He’s just stalling. If he was being honest, he would have made the deal and pulled his military out of Israel. Let Iran and Israel fight eachother. Iran agrees to not target American assets in the region, and the US agrees to not use those assets to protect Israel. Its not difficult, right?

 

[ShapurII]

Don't lie yourself.
Not only China gave Irán raw material and political support in international arenas like UN, but also half of the agreement came from them.

Do you realize that the Agreement came days after US Donald Trump went to visit Xi Jingping?. Seems obvious that China warned US that they will continue supporting Irán.

Even some international press said that they suggested to leave supporting Taiwán just to rid of Irán to them and Israel. And Xi was explicit.

China has been backing Pakistán from the day one. Without China Irán would be still engaged against to peer adversaries with a certain fate of defeat.

Baseless claims. Do you have anything proven to discuss on this matter?

I earlier acknowledged that the Chinese sent ammonium perchlorate to Iran before the war. This one has been confirmed by multiple independent sources and China has never denied it. But first of all, at least one of those shipments, the largest one, that we knew about, was destroyed in the Shahid Rajaee Port explosion. However, I wouldn't count that as some great military support for Iran.

China has refused to sell Iran even defensive weapons. This whole idea of amazing military cooperation between Iran and China is not true, or at least not evidence-based.

 

[Immortals]

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[Flotilla]

They are dangerous,

Iran for all its limitations is FREE

I'm not saying China and Russia are better, what I am saying is Iran should be looking for ways to make itself capable of fulfilling it's needs with support, but the west is infiltrated with Zionists and neo cons

And white supremacists.

Even a friendly country like ours you can listen time to time that about fvcking muslims.

Probably all glasses are connected. But old Europe stinks of islamophobia and white supremacists.

 

[Immortals]

Mobilizing when there is virtually zero chance of a land invasion and no mass uprising? Unless they are planning to march toward Israel, makes no sense?

If negotiations fail then a land invasion of Iran’s coastal regions and Isfahan uranium storage is highly likely in August/September before summer is over.

This is a good contingency to get the conscripts into fighting shape. No real downside if done correctly.

 

[UKBengali]

Iran has a clear run for next few years until SPRs are built up around the world.

Build your economy and get air defence.

With air cover - Iran will be invincible.

Yes and Irán will focus on the mobile MRSAM systems that proved so useful during recent war. It needs hundreds to cover the most critical areas of the country.

Also it needs to try to build up an ABM system as it simply needs to absorb initial hits to allow its ballistic missiles to cause severe damage within days to Zio-US by overwhelming Numbers.

 

[Meengla]

If negotiations fail then a land invasion of Iran’s coastal regions and Isfahan uranium storage is highly likely in August/September before summer is over.
This is a good contingency to get the conscripts into fighting shape. No real downside if done correctly.

Land invasion? Iranians would unfurl the world famous Iranian Carpets for the invaders! I think 'Ghalibaf' name is even derived from 'Carpet'. In Urdu, it is called 'Qaleen'. It looks like in Persian 'Gh' becomes 'Q' sound!