Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
Who said anything about blowing it up? That's a strawman fallacy.
We were talking about Iran losing trillions of dollars and you said Iran couldn't lose 5 trillion dollars. Who talked about blowing it up? If Iran loses its oil fields to occupying forces, Iran has lost trillions of dollars. But that's OK to you because you're not Iranian.
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I don't think Iran can lose it's oil fields to the USA. I don't think the Americans can capture them. This is not a logical possibility to me and I have not seen anything in theatre that makes me think that will be the case.

ShapurII said:
What you think as some random person on the internet has no importance in the war whatsoever. So, if your best argument for that is "I think it is so", then let's agree to disagree.
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Surely, the same argument applies to you - as you are equally a "random" person.

ShapurII said:
You are free to express your views and I am free to express mine. What does that have to do with the statement you made?
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Yes - we both are free to do so.

ShapurII said:
I said you were ignorant, not angry. Read it again. I said you were ignorant about the situation of Iran, as clearly demonstrated by your idea that Iran cannot lose 5 trillion dollars, and you not being Iranian even strengthens my position, not weaken it. So, stop pretending to be an Iran expert when your information is incomplete and mostly wrong.
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Being Iranian or not is immaterial to knowing if you know your stuff or not. Neither of us is an expert in Iranian affairs. Period. Being from a country it self does not make anyone's view more correct either.

You have been banding around the figure of the value of Irans oil reserves being $5 trillion.....

The proven reserves of Iran stand at 208 billion barrels, which at the current market value is $17 trillion as per OPEC's official figures. The receipts for that are below.


Page 22 : https://www.opec.org/assets/assetdb/asb-2025.pdf

  • WTI Crude Benchmark: At the current spot price of $81.04 per barrel, the total volume is worth $16,856,320,000,000 ($16.86 trillion).
So, being an "Iranian" as you say you are, you don't even know how much oil Iran has or what it is worth? You are randomly quoting a figure of $5 trillion when the actual value is in the region of close to $17 trillion..

ShapurII said:
No, you just disproved your point and discredited yourself. You demonstrated you did not understand the value of Iran's resources.
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I understand Iran's value, I still maintain I don't see how anyone can take them from Iran. The receipts are above, it seem you don't know.

ShapurII said:
What happened to we are free to express our views?
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Is that not what we are doing. I have simply suggested if you find my thoughts so ridiculous that it triggers you soo much, that you are free to ignore me or engage in conversation. I am happy with either, and I am simply being polite to offer that on the table for you. That is not stopping you from expressing your views.

ShapurII said:
If getting your stupid definition of winning the war challenged by other members triggers you, then you can put me on your ignore list.
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I have explained my views, but I am not the one going around calling peoples views as ridiculous. You are.

ShapurII said:
his is the Iranian section of the forum and I'm an Iranian and can participate and challenge anything that concerns my country.
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I am happy to see that, and unless the mods of the forum suggest otherwise, you should allow me the same privilege to express my views.
 
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Magi said:
The benefits go far beyond direct tolling income. Shaping behavior will force nations to avoid hostile actions including hosting bases, do business with Iran, buy and sell materials and technology, buy oil and petrochemicals, etc. and eventually align militarily. That coercive power is the foundation of the American empire. Iran can do the same. It is impossible to put a dollar figure on the value of that.

Pipelines can easily be destroyed if the will exists. The Russian pipeline was blown up on deep sea bed. All Iran has to do is disrupt the Saudi and UAE oil flow through pipes. One Shahed hit a day at a random pumping station will do the job. Or the entire processing facilities can go up in smoke in extreme cases. That part is easy. Iran currently possesses the capability to prevent them from exporting oil if it really wants to. If that comes to force it will be regional hegemony.

Petro Rial would be the crown jewel and the confluence of all the above.
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Not a pipeline, but a canal. Something like Volga-Don canal that has existed for decades. How do you plan to destroy something like the Volga-Don canal?

And countries will start to use that canal to bypass the Strait of Hormuz, rendering the Strait of Hormuz useless.
 
BananaRepublic said:
The Arabs are slowly roping in Pakistan against Iran.

It will lead to both Iran and Pakistan destroying themselves.

And creating an opening for their plethora of separatists.

Pakistani military needs to be careful about hiring itself out like a mercenary.

This is why it’s important to have a functioning political wing to provide balance.
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When Iran made allianc with Houthis, Assad of Syria and Hezbollah and Iraqi militias. I never seen Iranians or people who criticizing, complain about those shody alliances. Iranians and non-Pakistanis has no right to criticize anything that Pakistan thinks is best for herself. If anyone wants to criticize start with your own country and the alliances you've made or gonna make.
 
ShapurII said:
Not a pipeline, but a canal. Something like Volga-Don canal that has existed for decades. How do you plan to destroy something like the Volga-Don canal?

And countries will start to use that canal to bypass the Strait of Hormuz, rendering the Strait of Hormuz useless.
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There will have to be loading stations. There will be physical ships. Oil has to get transferred to ships somehow. The ships move slowly. Sinking one will close a canal. We saw that at the Suez a couple of years back. That is a very target rich environment. Disrupting such delicate and safety sensitive operation is very easy.
 
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Bratva said:
When Iran made allianc with Houthis, Assad of Syria and Hezbollah and Iraqi militias. I never seen Iranians or people who criticizing, complain about those shody alliances. Iranians and non-Pakistanis has no right to criticize anything that Pakistan thinks is best for herself. If anyone wants to criticize start with your own country and the alliances you've made or gonna make.
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They weren’t shoddy alliances.

They were alliances against the Zionists and their poodles.

I, personally, 100% support it!!

If the Arabs were patriotic Muslims - Iran wouldn’t have needed such alliances.
 
Professor Jiang said:
Imagine dying to protect a country like Kuwait.
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Better than the others who make alliances with Militias and dictators who runs to Russia.
Magi said:
Are Pakistanis really offering themselves for a war with Iran?
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Who are you to criticize? The one who made alliances with Houthis and the Assad and countless other shody alliances? Concentrate on your War with USA. It doesnt concern you who Pakistan make alliance with in future.
 
BananaRepublic said:
They weren’t shoddy alliances.

They were alliances against the Zionists and their poodles.

I, personally, 100% support it!!

If the Arabs were patriotic Muslims - Iran wouldn’t have needed such alliances.
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That shows what a hypocritical and biased view you have. Good day to you. Lot of Israeli and zionists spies were/are in Iran. Charity begins at home instead of making alliances with others to counter zionists.
 
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