Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Liquidator said:
Iran sitting around waiting to get slapped again I see.

Don't worry.....Pakistan is the same. Also waiting for a slap.

Both lack the will to pre-empt.
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The stronger states always take the imitative, it is the weaker state that is forced into a defensive posture. In the India/Pakistan, and Iran/Israel context, both Iran and Pakistan are the weaker military states, that is the reality.
 
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kastor ville said:
I like this....UAE is the enemy within our walls. They're responsible for a lot of the coordination and arm pulling in the US.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Qatar is at or surpassed the level of UAE in terms of "enemy within our walls"- Qatar's name seems to be coming up more as a supporter of and hub for US and NATO logistics in the gulf.
 
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It looks like whatever maximum pressure the E3 was pursuing is not working, so they are trying to find other venues to restrict Iranian nuclear rights, this time hiding behind a new group - "E3/EU-G3-GCC"- whose goal is to work for a new "regional de-escalation efforts". In reality, their goals are still the same: 1) Restrict Iranian nuclear enrichment rights, curtail the Iranian missile advancements, and have those IAEA roaming in Iran (in other words, they want those spies to have full access to all critical sites in Iran).
 
Ali_Baba said:
The stronger states always take the imitative, it is the weaker state that is forced into a defensive posture. In the India/Pakistan, and Iran/Israel context, both Iran and Pakistan are the weaker military states, that is the reality.
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Iran isn't militarily weaker than Israel because Israel required US support to fight Iran and requested the ceasefire.
Most likely its that globally, Iran is politically weaker than israel.
 
925boy said:
Iran isn't militarily weaker than Israel because Israel required US support to fight Iran and requested the ceasefire.
Most likely its that globally, Iran is politically weaker than israel.
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I don't believe that Iran is military weaker than Israel. I believe Iran can defeat both the US and Israel comprehensively.

My issue is with the leadership and the war machine. Losing so many leaders In opening phase of the last conflict. Sitting like a coward duck while the whole axis was crumbling and Nasrallah assassinated.

The lack of resolve shown in the previous conflict. Intelligence failure which was on an epic proportion with saboteurs causing immense damage. What does this show? It doesn't show resolve to me. It shows ignorance and callousness

So we can come here and talk all about how they went for the ceasefire and how Iran is stronger and bla bla, but the fact is there were alot of things that happened on our part that was very humiliating. Like our nuclear installations were bombed and dimona was never threatened once.

I'm sick of this crap seriously. Even if Israel proposed the ceasefire but we swallowed it faster than a shot of vodka.

If we are honest, we suffered many instances of embarrassment in the last conflict
 
Xerxes22 said:
Even if Israel proposed the ceasefire but we swallowed it faster than a shot of vodka.
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It comes down to this, if Israel does attack again, how prepared is Iran, and can it and will it continue military operations after Israel exhausts itself and asks for a ceasefire. If it can and does continue military operations, then yes - at that point it will move from being militarily weak to being militarily strong.

Iran was always viewed as the big wolf that you don't mess with, and Israel took away that image. Can Iran establish the military capability to be seen as a power you simply should not attack ?
 


Israel has delivered a strategic blow to Iran's deterrence strategy (Axis of Resistance) and nuclear program

but not to Iran's missile program

the only way to destroy Iran's missile program is to cause regime change or mass chaos that changes the decision making calculus within the IR

Israel has its own limitations on its ability to do this
 
where are the we stand with you crowd ?
What happened to the Syrian freedom fighters? Assad is bad . Syria now faces the same fate as the West Bank. Piece by piece , village by village. At this pace in 5 years, they will be living in tents like the Gazans or worse . Israel has a right to defend itself.


 
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FUB said:
Common sense analysis from Patarames
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The height of stupidity is not learning the right lessons.

Iran desperately needs an air force, so much that it is not funny anymore.

Emirzad has pointed out how an air force can push the IDF further away from Iran as it would be able to effect the logistics line that allows Israel to fly from Israel and back again.
 
Ali_Baba said:
The height of stupidity is not learning the right lessons.

Iran desperately needs an air force, so much that it is not funny anymore.

Emirzad has pointed out how an air force can push the IDF further away from Iran as it would be able to effect the logistics line that allows Israel to fly from Israel and back again.
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Patarames is actually saying we need fighter jets but just enough that can fit under the mountain air storage facilities. Anything extra that has to be parked outside is stupid. And AWACS can't fit under the mountains so that's a no no no too.

So basically the 48 or whatever su-35's is perfect for Iran

Above is his words
 
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