Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

Iran worries about civilian casualties
Israel does not

There is mandate in our creed to provide a reciprocal response if necessary and to use their own laws against them.

Just saying...

Seems like IRGCASF learned this during the war to not waste assets on military targets only. Last strikes by IRGCASF were on civilian targets because Israel was doing same. Both countries apparently had no actual goal of war so they both started targeting civilians and then eventually backed off.

Beersheba strike was one such incident where IRGCASF did after Israeli civilians.

 

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not while Khamenei is alive, that's for sure.

 

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[Watandar]

Seems like IRGCASF learned this during the war to not waste assets on military targets only. Last strikes by IRGCASF were on civilian targets because Israel was doing same. Both countries apparently had no actual goal of war so they both started targeting civilians and then eventually backed off.

Beersheba strike was one such incident where IRGCASF did after Israeli civilians.

Many of these "civilian" facilities had floors with military people and underground basements with military and intelligence facilities. Israelis have shown zero regard for non Jewish civilians in Gaza, Lebanon, Iran etc and hence deserve none in return.

That doesn't mean of course that you act like these Zionazis, but that limiting yourself to pure military sites is unlikely to deliver any dividends.

 

[Musings]

What a clown. This is a thread for serious discussion and not trolling. I recommend you start from the beginning, read thousands of pages of factual analysis, and stop yammering nonsense. If you were a real Palestinian, you would not talk such BS.

You are the clown. He is a real Palestinian and his posts are more informative than yours will ever be. Jog on

 

[ToddE]

Many of these "civilian" facilities had floors with military people and underground basements with military and intelligence facilities. Israelis have shown zero regard for non Jewish civilians in Gaza, Lebanon, Iran etc and hence deserve none in return.

That doesn't mean of course that you act like these Zionazis, but that limiting yourself to pure military sites is unlikely to deliver any dividends.

IRGCASF learnt it midwar that there were no rules, they were initially wasting waves on softening military targets. If war would have extended we would have seen more missiles destroying Jewish neighborhoods or we will see this happen in next war apparently. Although IMO there wont be any more war. Israel and Iran have nothing to gain from fighting each other except scoring points in internal politics.

 

[Persian Gulf]

IRGCASF learnt it midwar that there were no rules, they were initially wasting waves on softening military targets. If war would have extended we would have seen more missiles destroying Jewish neighborhoods or we will see this happen in next war apparently. Although IMO there wont be any more war. Israel and Iran have nothing to gain from fighting each other except scoring points in internal politics.

what do you think the firing rate of missiles was in the last 5 days of the war? curious if you believe the numbers we have (largely published by Israeli sources and verified to the extent possible by launch and impact footage) or believe the numbers are totally different.

 

[ToddE]

what do you think the firing rate of missiles was in the last 5 days of the war? curious if you believe the numbers we have (largely published by Israeli sources and verified to the extent possible by launch and impact footage) or believe the numbers are totally different.

We can only guess but it means less because decision on firing how many missiles per wave is not just based on capability. Wars are complicated. My own understanding is that decline was noted around 18th night (Israeli media claiming quieter night) and ceasefire followed 5 days later. If we are to assume that back channel tri-party talks were already going on, its quite probable that leadership wanted to behave nicer in front of Trump + save missile numbers or TELs from being targeted.

But despite this, the most devastating strikes came after 17th-18th ... Beersheba neighbourhood attack, 2nd strike on Weizman, Eshkol Power plant, Soroka Hospital, Gav Yam etc all came laterwards when firing rate was lower.

 

[925boy]

If weak Israel didnt lose the war, why has it been way more secretive than Iran has been about the damage it took and mistakes and miscalculation it made while it fought Iran?

Some dissapointing people on this thread think Iran lost so much more than Israel did, but we can only really assess damages that israel took after Israel really opens up about all its losses, which it still hasn't done , but the rumors are coming out little by little- it is clear Iran feels more confident after the clash and Israel feels LESS confident after the clashes, and i dunno 1 war that happened where the winner felt noticeably less confident after winning a war.

Also,to that mod that keeps whining that Iran lost 1k people- i think that person is just emotionally hurt Iranians died, which is ok and reasonable, but at least be direct you are emotional about those deaths instead of hiding behind rhe fact that it happened which is NORMAL in war. Iran is way bigger and populated that israel,and fought alone while Israel is way smaller ,and has no strategic depth and had 10s of allies helping it- when you look at Iran and Israel's losses in ratio terms(losses taken/possible losses), Iran didnt lose disproportionately more people and military locations than Israel did.

If you dunno this lemme tell u now- in any round 2, Israel will very likely lose most of its( few) strategic sites left(houthis bravely and rightly expired some sites already, like eilat port, which israel has shut down), end of discussion!

 

[kastor ville]

If weak Israel didnt lose the war, why has it been way more secretive than Iran has been about the damage it took and mistakes and miscalculation it made while it fought Iran?

Some dissapointing people on this thread think Iran lost so much more than Israel did, but we can only really assess damages that israel took after Israel really opens up about all its losses, which it still hasn't done , but the rumors are coming out little by little- it is clear Iran feels more confident after the clash and Israel feels LESS confident after the clashes, and i dunno 1 war that happened where the winner felt noticeably less confident after winning a war.

Also,to that mod that keeps whining that Iran lost 1k people- i think that person is just emotionally hurt Iranians died, which is ok and reasonable, but at least be direct you are emotional about those deaths instead of hiding behind rhe fact that it happened which is NORMAL in war. Iran is way bigger and populated that israel,and fought alone while Israel is way smaller ,and has no strategic depth and had 10s of allies helping it- when you look at Iran and Israel's losses in ratio terms(losses taken/possible losses), Iran didnt lose disproportionately more people and military locations than Israel did.

If you dunno this lemme tell u now- in any round 2, Israel will very likely lose most of its( few) strategic sites left(houthis bravely and rightly expired some sites already, like eilat port, which israel has shut down), end of discussion!

Yep....you know some of us did echo this sentiment....shortly after the war ended. The big clue was Israel asking for the cessation of hostilities....ie: Ceasefire.
I knew then that we hurt their zio asses, regardless if they hid the damage or had a victory parade.....we hurt them. They would never ceasefire till they destroyed everything.....and everyone if it suits them.
When they ask for ceasefire is because they're fearful. This is not an opinion, this is a truthism.

 

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