Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

What are the chances that the ayatollah is unaware of Iran continuing its nuke program?

There are close to no chance that IRGC is secretly continuing the program and building a device without leader's notice, but its a possibility although close to no chance considering the amount of spies in Iran

 

[Mehdipersian]

What are the chances that the ayatollah is unaware of Iran continuing its nuke program?

This is a zero probability. You have no idea how loyal Iran's religious forces are to Ayatollah Khamenei.

 

[Immortals]

the real turning point was when Natanz was exposed by the MEK in 2002

just one year later (and two years before Ahmadinejad took office) Khamenei decided to stop all nuclear weapons activity because everything was coming under intense global scrutiny

Yeah I wonder what happened one year later in 2003 that would make Khamenai halt the nuclear weapons program……

Maybe it was because Saddam got steam rolled with Shock and Awe for going after the same thing and the hilarious thing is he didn’t even have a nuclear weapons program anymore.

Of course iran who was labeled as part of the “Axis of Evil” and only had a Shahab-3 with 250-500m CEP and NO AIR DEFENSES, made the decision to halt any further research to prevent being the next domino to fall. The U.S. could have quite easily disposed of Iran in 2003-2007.

Militarily Iran was very weak and still operating the same Shah era equipment and Soviet Union weapons that Rafsanjani procured in the early 90’s.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Yeah I wonder what happened one year later in 2003 that would make Khamenai halt the nuclear weapons program……

I don't think Iran doesn't have a secret nuclear program. All of Iran's old nuclear facilities are actually mock-ups for inspection and possible attack.

 

[tsunset]

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[Immortals]

I don't think Iran doesn't have a secret nuclear program. All of Iran's old nuclear facilities are actually mock-ups for inspection and possible attack.

Natanz was not a nuclear weapons facility. You wouldn’t design a nuclear weapons facility to operate thousands of centrifuges. It was designed as the main pilot facility to build out, test, and enrich fuel for the civilian side of the program.

Iran actually needs nuclear power plants, just look at the chronic outages this past year. Look at how much of its own natural gas production its own population consumes. Iran’s population has a very energy intensive consumption.


Iran’s biggest mistake was shut downing Arak as part of the JCPOA. The Arak reactor would have produced enough plutonium by product for 10+ plutonium based bombs per year. Instead Iran killed the reactor as part of JCPOA.

Arak was the biggest headache for Israel/Us because iran was pursing a dual pathway approach to the bomb (plutonium and uranium), but they got the idiot leadership in Tehran to agree to scuttle it. 10 years later and the reactor still is not online.

 

[sharreman10]

Seems like an Israel attack is imminent. The big question is how involved the US is going to be.

 

[mangekyo]

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[kastor ville]

Seems like an Israel attack is imminent. The big question is how involved the US is going to be.

I don't know man...something is not adding up. This may be a cover, I mean they just recognized Somaliland...perhaps this is about The Houthis..they did say that no one can set up a base there.
If israel and america are foolish enough to attack iran again.There is no element of surprise this time... The iranians are emboldened, they have tactical knowledge of what works and what doesn't.... And this time, they will go all out to make sure this will not become a regular event. So if these bastards are crazy enough to attack us again, i hope they know what they're in for.

 

[ShapurII]

So if these bastards are crazy enough to attack us again, i hope they know what they're in for.

What are they in for?
Didn't we know that the US was going to attack our nuclear facilities in the 12-day battle? What did we do? How many US soldiers were injured or killed in action?

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Just hit them hard if they attack, the cowards will then back off. Remember:

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[kastor ville]

What are they in for?
Didn't we know that the US was going to attack our nuclear facilities in the 12-day battle? What did we do? How many US soldiers were injured or killed in action?

You guys live in fantasy land...you seriously think we can kill scores of American soldiers? What they can be in for is the razing of Tel-Aviv....the bombing of Aramco refineries, the UAE gas terminal....the closure of the Strait....the bombing of the backup pipelines that were built to circumvent the closure of the strait of Hormuz. It's amazing to me that you guys keep bringing up proportional responses when we're up against a superpower.... This is a waste of bandwidth type of arguments.

 

[ShapurII]

You guys live in fantasy land...you seriously think we can kill scores of American soldiers? What they can be in for is the razing of Tel-Aviv....the bombing of Aramco refineries, the UAE gas terminal....the closure of the Strait....the bombing of the backup pipelines that were built to circumvent the closure of the strait of Hormuz. It's amazing to me that you guys keep bringing up proportional responses when we're up against a superpower.... This is a waste of bandwidth type of arguments.

How do you plan to raze Tel Aviv exactly? Because last time it was such a big success?
And why do you think the US would care about financial losses in the Emirates or the Arab states of the Persian Gulf?

I know for a fact that somebody like Trump would care about thousands of dead American soldiers, but not so much about a few blown up pipelines or gas terminals in Arab countries. In the worst case scenario, they will tell Arabs to rebuild them with their own money and our loving Arab brothers are more than willing to do so because they hate us and see that as an acceptable price for bombing Iran.

 

[hasssanali8998]

the real turning point was when Natanz was exposed by the MEK in 2002

how did a terror organization know about a deep underground nuclear lab ??
so baffling . did they know before cia/mossad too

 

[kastor ville]

How do you plan to raze Tel Aviv exactly? Because last time it was such a big success?
And why do you think the US would care about financial losses in the Emirates or the Arab states of the Persian Gulf?

I know for a fact that somebody like Trump would care about thousands of dead American soldiers, but not so much about a few blown up pipelines or gas terminals in Arab countries. In the worst case scenario, they will tell Arabs to rebuild them with their own money and our loving Arab brothers are more than willing to do so because they hate us and see that as an acceptable price for bombing Iran.

You have a limited imagination, my friend.....
30% of the oil and 20% of the gas of the world is coming from that little area. If you had an extensive knowledge of other things besides geopolitics, you'd know that the entire western world's economy is teethering... And the last thing it needs is an energy shock. So while you guys bicker, about what did iran do? How many americans and israelis died...and other ridiculously circular arguments....the real proof is right in front of you I don't know how many times I have to remind you folks, during the twelve day war, two nuclear powered countries attacked iran, decapitated our military leadership, attacked the missile bases.... Yet somehow the iranians were able to regroup and hit back and do some serious damage to israel. But it's not all good... Because you guys are concentrating on body counts. The fantasy part I keep talking about is the fact that you think we can go toe to toe with a superpower and a country that's backed by a superpower..... And not to mention the entire western world. That's what I find funny....the answer is we can't, some of us know this...we're looking to make this attacks as unattractive and costly as possible.