Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Mehdipersian said:
I don't think Iran doesn't have a secret nuclear program. All of Iran's old nuclear facilities are actually mock-ups for inspection and possible attack.
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Natanz was not a nuclear weapons facility. You wouldn’t design a nuclear weapons facility to operate thousands of centrifuges. It was designed as the main pilot facility to build out, test, and enrich fuel for the civilian side of the program.

Iran actually needs nuclear power plants, just look at the chronic outages this past year. Look at how much of its own natural gas production its own population consumes. Iran’s population has a very energy intensive consumption.


Iran’s biggest mistake was shut downing Arak as part of the JCPOA. The Arak reactor would have produced enough plutonium by product for 10+ plutonium based bombs per year. Instead Iran killed the reactor as part of JCPOA.

Arak was the biggest headache for Israel/Us because iran was pursing a dual pathway approach to the bomb (plutonium and uranium), but they got the idiot leadership in Tehran to agree to scuttle it. 10 years later and the reactor still is not online.
 
Seems like an Israel attack is imminent. The big question is how involved the US is going to be.
 
sharreman10 said:
Seems like an Israel attack is imminent. The big question is how involved the US is going to be.
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I don't know man...something is not adding up. This may be a cover, I mean they just recognized Somaliland...perhaps this is about The Houthis..they did say that no one can set up a base there.
If israel and america are foolish enough to attack iran again.There is no element of surprise this time... The iranians are emboldened, they have tactical knowledge of what works and what doesn't.... And this time, they will go all out to make sure this will not become a regular event. So if these bastards are crazy enough to attack us again, i hope they know what they're in for.
 
kastor ville said:
So if these bastards are crazy enough to attack us again, i hope they know what they're in for.
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What are they in for?
Didn't we know that the US was going to attack our nuclear facilities in the 12-day battle? What did we do? How many US soldiers were injured or killed in action?
 
Just hit them hard if they attack, the cowards will then back off. Remember:
 
ShapurII said:
What are they in for?
Didn't we know that the US was going to attack our nuclear facilities in the 12-day battle? What did we do? How many US soldiers were injured or killed in action?
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You guys live in fantasy land...you seriously think we can kill scores of American soldiers? What they can be in for is the razing of Tel-Aviv....the bombing of Aramco refineries, the UAE gas terminal....the closure of the Strait....the bombing of the backup pipelines that were built to circumvent the closure of the strait of Hormuz. It's amazing to me that you guys keep bringing up proportional responses when we're up against a superpower.... This is a waste of bandwidth type of arguments.
 
kastor ville said:
You guys live in fantasy land...you seriously think we can kill scores of American soldiers? What they can be in for is the razing of Tel-Aviv....the bombing of Aramco refineries, the UAE gas terminal....the closure of the Strait....the bombing of the backup pipelines that were built to circumvent the closure of the strait of Hormuz. It's amazing to me that you guys keep bringing up proportional responses when we're up against a superpower.... This is a waste of bandwidth type of arguments.
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How do you plan to raze Tel Aviv exactly? Because last time it was such a big success?
And why do you think the US would care about financial losses in the Emirates or the Arab states of the Persian Gulf?

I know for a fact that somebody like Trump would care about thousands of dead American soldiers, but not so much about a few blown up pipelines or gas terminals in Arab countries. In the worst case scenario, they will tell Arabs to rebuild them with their own money and our loving Arab brothers are more than willing to do so because they hate us and see that as an acceptable price for bombing Iran.
 
ShapurII said:
How do you plan to raze Tel Aviv exactly? Because last time it was such a big success?
And why do you think the US would care about financial losses in the Emirates or the Arab states of the Persian Gulf?

I know for a fact that somebody like Trump would care about thousands of dead American soldiers, but not so much about a few blown up pipelines or gas terminals in Arab countries. In the worst case scenario, they will tell Arabs to rebuild them with their own money and our loving Arab brothers are more than willing to do so because they hate us and see that as an acceptable price for bombing Iran.
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You have a limited imagination, my friend.....
30% of the oil and 20% of the gas of the world is coming from that little area. If you had an extensive knowledge of other things besides geopolitics, you'd know that the entire western world's economy is teethering... And the last thing it needs is an energy shock. So while you guys bicker, about what did iran do? How many americans and israelis died...and other ridiculously circular arguments....the real proof is right in front of you I don't know how many times I have to remind you folks, during the twelve day war, two nuclear powered countries attacked iran, decapitated our military leadership, attacked the missile bases.... Yet somehow the iranians were able to regroup and hit back and do some serious damage to israel. But it's not all good... Because you guys are concentrating on body counts. The fantasy part I keep talking about is the fact that you think we can go toe to toe with a superpower and a country that's backed by a superpower..... And not to mention the entire western world. That's what I find funny....the answer is we can't, some of us know this...we're looking to make this attacks as unattractive and costly as possible.
 
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kastor ville said:
You have a limited imagination, my friend.....
30% of the oil and 20% of the gas of the world is coming from that little area. If you had an extensive knowledge of other things besides geopolitics, you'd know that the entire western world's economy is teethering... And the last thing they need is an energy shock. So while you guys bicker, about what did iran do? How many americans are israelis died...and other ridiculously circular arguments. I don't know how many times I have to remind you folks, during the twelve day war, two nuclear powered countries attacked iran, decapitated our military leadership, attacked the missile bases.... Yet somehow the iranians were able to regroup and hit back and do some serious damage to israel. But it's not all good... Because you guys are concentrating on body counts. The fantasy part I keep talking about is the fact that you think we can go toe to toe with a superpower and a country that's backed by a superpower..... And not to mention the entire western world. That's what I find funny.
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How do you know there will be an energy shock for sure?
How do you know they haven't stored enough oil for this day to control the initial shock?
Most importantly, why do you think the US would care about European economies more than her own profit?

They have Venezuela now. The US is one of the world's largest producers of oil now.
They attacked Iran pre-emptively and the effect on oil and energy market was minimal and lasted only 2 days.
 
ShapurII said:
How do you know there will be an energy shock for sure?
How do you know they haven't stored enough oil for this day to control the initial shock?
Most importantly, why do you think the US would care about European economies more than her own profit?

They have Venezuela now. The US is one of the world's largest producers of oil now.
They attacked Iran pre-emptively and the effect on oil and energy market was minimal and lasted only 2 days.
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Because I have their entire playbook....would you like me to post if for you?

 
The region is changing. Iran + Hezbollah/AoR (exception being Houthi's) are going towards normalization. Iran because pressure on government. It may even fall. Hezbollah will because there is no stomach amongst Lebanese Shias to fight more with Israel.

Saudi Arabia + Qatar+ Turkey are going to move away from normalization into confronting Israeli policies in the region. They have no choice but to. We're seeing it in Yemen, now in Libya, tomorrow in Sudan/Somalia.

Gaza is stuck in its situation trying to survive next few years. Gaza won't normalize with Israel it's being occupied forcibly.
 
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