Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kastor ville]

Whatever scenario you guys bring up is irrelevant. Nothing beats the Epstein files. Netanyahu owns US for 3 more years.

True....let's see what happens, Trump has already bombed Iran with little fallout....why on earth, would he risk turning that win into a loss is beyond me. Besides now he has Greenland, Cuba and Colombia on his radar. Not to mention midterms, the epstein files, and a faltering economy.

 

[mangekyo]

True....let's see what happens, Trump has already bombed Iran with little fallout....why on earth, would he risk turning that win into a loss is beyond me. Besides now he has Greenland, Cuba and Colombia on his radar. Not to mention midterms, the epstein files, and a faltering economy.

Because it doesn’t matter. He must do whatever Netanyahu tells him to do.

 

[RocketLaw]

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[mangekyo]

In 2024, China promoted the J-10C fighter jet to Iran.an Iranian general clearly stated that Iran is very powerful and does not need China's help or intervention.

China promoted the J-10C fighter jet to Iran because it perceived a threat to Iran.
The threat materialized the following year when Israel and the United States bombed Iran.

Just as Iranian general said, iran is strong, good luck.

Picture is of Habibollah Sayyari, he’s a rear admiral. He has nothing to do with the Air Force.

China is not allowed to sell fighters to Iran by the US. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

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[royalharris]

Picture is of Habibollah Sayyari, he’s a rear admiral. He has nothing to do with the Air Force.

China is not allowed to sell fighters to Iran by the US. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

In September 2024, Habibollah Sayari, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces and Deputy Coordinator, stated in an interview on the sidelines of the 11th Beijing Xiangshan Forum that Iran's domestically produced weapons fully meet its own needs. He also emphasized that there is no need for external powers to interfere in regional security

Don't blame everything on USA.

 

[mangekyo]

In September 2024, Habibollah Sayari, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces and Deputy Coordinator, stated in an interview on the sidelines of the 11th Beijing Xiangshan Forum that Iran's domestically produced weapons fully meet its own needs. He also emphasized that there is no need for external powers to interfere in regional security

Don't blame everything on USA.

Mohammad Bagheri was the chief of staff of the armed forces in 2024, not Sayyari. Your source is fake and China does not have the balls to sell fighters to Iran without permission from the US.

 

[royalharris]

Mohammad Bagheri was the chief of staff of the armed forces in 2024, not Sayyari. Your source is fake and China does not have the balls to sell fighters to Iran without permission from the US.

Fine, you’re right. China doesn’t have the guts. Happy now? You win
Funny
China should aslo follow the international order, reduce iran oil to zero

 

[mangekyo]

Fine, you’re right. China doesn’t have the guts. Happy now? You win
Funny

No need to throw a hissy fit.

 

[mangekyo]

If you disregard the facts and stubbornly refuse to admit the truth, there is no need for others to continue the discussion with you. You can just have it your way.

I am correcting errors, not ignoring facts.

1. Sayyari was not Chief of Staff in 2024. That was Mohammad Bagheri.

2. There is no credible source for claims about China offering J-10Cs. Such a sale would risk U.S. sanctions.

Showing a photo of Sayyari while falsely labeling him as Chief of Staff. When he is clearly wearing a naval uniform. And then attributing an unsourced quote to him about not needing fighters. Is not a credible source.

 

[mangekyo]

Perhaps the Iranians themselves are not even aware of the attitudes of their neighboring countries. I might be wrong, but such a tendency does exist: many neighboring countries are reluctant to do business with Iran.
This is a common occurrence when dealing with Iranians—contradictions between their words and deeds, disregard for facts, and stubborn refusal to admit the truth.
Could this be the reason why China’s trade volume with Iran is even lower than that with Oman? Iran really needs to engage in some serious self-reflection and figure out what exactly is going on

Are you really this dense? Have you heard about American sanctions?

 

[royalharris]

The Iranians always fail to face reality. Take the oil trade as an example: the Iranians believe that China needs Iran and that China is taking advantage of Iran by purchasing cheap oil from it.
The harsh reality, however, is that no country except China dares to buy Iranian oil. This includes India, which constantly makes plans to purchase Iranian oil but never has the courage to actually follow through.
China’s purchase of oil from Iran is intended to help Iran maintain the basic operation of its economy. If necessary, China can completely cut its oil imports from Iran to zero.
Trump has always hoped that China would import oil from the United States

 

[mangekyo]

The Iranians always fail to face reality. Take the oil trade as an example: the Iranians believe that China needs Iran and that China is taking advantage of Iran by purchasing cheap oil from it.
The harsh reality, however, is that no country except China dares to buy Iranian oil. This includes India, which constantly makes plans to purchase Iranian oil but never has the courage to actually follow through.
China’s purchase of oil from Iran is intended to help Iran maintain the basic operation of its economy. If necessary, China can completely cut its oil imports from Iran to zero.

China is not dependent on Iranian oil. That is a distortion. This is about cost versus risk. Buying discounted oil carries limited risk and the U.S. often tolerates it. Selling advanced fighters would carry far higher risk and trigger sanctions. Something China absolutely fears.

 

[Persian Gulf]

stay on topic

you can discuss China's oil imports in another thread

 

[Falcon29]

Thats just speculation on your part. No evidence of Iran moving towards normalization with Israel.

Iran may move to some kind of normalization if the regime is toppled. I believe the likelyhood of the regime falling is low.

It's not speculation that Iran will perform worse than 12 day war. It's like when Israel claimed to strike Iranian AD in October 2024. People denied it was successful and downplayed it but later in July 2025 we found that to be true.

Unless Iran is secretly holding back impressive firepower (unlikely), there are limits to what damage it can do to Israel.

But what we have seen with our very eyes is Syria under Jolani (which you seem to have no problem with) openly talking to and thereby legitimizing/normalizing the genocidal state.

Cognitive dissonance on an order of magnitude times 100.

Syria is not normalizing with Israel. I don't believe to know what Syrian people wanna do. Just going off the facts. They are stalling like Saudi Arabia. Saying even a security agreement isn't possible unless Israel withdraws from occupied Syrian territory. It's another way of saying no thank you we are not interested.

Jolani does not give me Al Qaeda vibes. It must been a method to gain young edgy recruits but he's your typical moderate Sunni Muslim. Like a Sunni Islamist Lebanese group. If that whole Syria civil war didn't happen they'd probably be allied to Hezbollah to some extent.

US occupies half of Syria, the Kurds can't hold it if US troops withdrew. It's US Air Force holding the territory for them. Then they have Israel. So they're going into these futile 'negotiations' to buy time until US get's bored or tired of trying.

Just like Hezbollah is forced to agree to withdraw to northern Litani, let Lebanese government and army take over. They both lack leverage.

Hamas if it wasn't for Gaza population that would not budge despite their dire conditions, would have no leverage either. It's also partly also because of Egypt threatening to go to war if Gaza population is expelled. As a result Hamas is not required to normalize or pressured into some agreement with Israel. Because there is no potential to convince Gaza population to normalize with Israel. It's a taboo in Gaza, severe one.

In Lebanon there are some potential partners in that regard and Syria (some militias armed by Israel and US).