Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasssanali8998]

Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council Ali Larijani says:
"Contrary to the artificial atmosphere created by the media war, the framework for negotiations (with the US) is taking shape and making progress."

 

[Meengla]

Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council Ali Larijani says:
"Contrary to the artificial atmosphere created by the media war, the framework for negotiations (with the US) is taking shape and making progress."

Good.
Nobody wants war except Netanyahu. Nobody.
And I don't see how any American benefits are served by a catastrophic war against Iran--on the contrary.

 

[Meengla]

The main reason a front attack on Iran might not happen is not because the impact on the global economy, although that is also a huge huge consideration, but because of the 'body bags' coming to America. Biden could not absorb even 13 US Marines killed at the Kabul Airport despite the Republicans keeping relatively quiet about the deaths.

America has no appetite for for body bags. America is inherently an isolationist country. The delayed involvements in the two World Wars were indicative of that psyche .

 

[Immortals]

the top nuclear scientist in Iran Mohsen Fakhrizadeh was assigned a security detail

he was instructed to sit in the back and let the security team drive him

nevertheless, he insisted on driving himself, and told the security detail he was not concerned with martyrdom

in the end, he was killed by Israel because he was sitting in the front of the car and the bodyguards in the back survived

This was his car:

An unarmored old model sedan. He would have died even if he was sitting in the back.

He died because the threat level was high on him and he still insisted on going to his villa that day.

The fact Iran security services still allows VIPs to drive around in such vehicles is exactly reason so many scientists and officials have been murdered.

 

[Liquidator]

People call USA a "war junkie".

The more I reflect on this term, the more apt it becomes. I mean, aren't you all fatigued by this madness?

 

[mythbuster]

The main reason a front attack on Iran might not happen is not because the impact on the global economy, although that is also a huge huge consideration, but because of the 'body bags' coming to America. Biden could not absorb even 13 US Marines killed at the Kabul Airport despite the Republicans keeping relatively quiet about the deaths.

America has no appetite for for body bags. America is inherently an isolationist country. The delayed involvements in the two World Wars were indicative of that psyche .

Nothing to do with body bags.... USA is getting what it wants , there is no point in chest thumping , Iran doesn't have the capacity to hurt in a meaningful way...no nukes , period ....Iran can keep the missiles....end of the story..... everyone can drop his two cents and feel like an intellectual heavyweight.

 

[Persian Gulf]

This was his car:

An unarmored old model sedan. He would have died even if he was sitting in the back.

He died because the threat level was high on him and he still insisted on going to his villa that day.

The fact Iran security services still allows VIPs to drive around in such vehicles is exactly reason so many scientists and officials have been murdered.

yes, this was severe negligence

but his bodyguards survived and he specifically told them to defy orders and let him drive

 

[Liquidator]

Could all this naval build-up be a rouse?

What if the Americans just periodically us stealth bombers to gradually decimate infrastructure?

Honestly speaking, was the naval build-up even needed?

Also, B2s I'm sure are equipped with naval variant "quicksynks"? They can carry around 80 of these, potentially destroying 80 ships in a single bombing run.

 

[Immortals]

yes, this was severe negligence

but his bodyguards survived and he specifically told them to defy orders and let him drive

I believe the Bodyguards survived because they were in other cars. I believe it was only 2 cars maybe 3 in his entourage. I don’t even think any were in the car with him because his wife was sitting next to him. Maybe someone was in the back, unclear since details are murky.

1 car went to bomb check the villa. Then (if you believe the Western story) a pick up truck was broken down on the side of the road and then a tarp was pulled off revealing an high caliber machine gun turret controlled by operator in Israel via Satellite and killed him. Some say he got out after his car was “disabled” then was shot. But pictures appear to show a different story.

The fact that Israel knew his schedule so well and entourage details that they didn’t feel the need to resort to the classic motorcyclist with a sticky bomb tactic or a crew using a drone or PGM strike, means that it was only a matter of time they got the opportunity to use a less collateral damage technique.

I have been in Iran and seen up armoured Mercedes VIP vehicles pass on the highway. So they do exist in the country, but likely limited and tied to high political officials only.

Nonetheless there isn’t any reason Iran Khodro or any other Iranian car manufacturer couldn’t manufacture a bullet resistant, bomb resistant vehicle for critical VIPs in iran at a reasonable cost. Also the cars can be equipped with high frequency jammers to block any cell or Satellite signal enough to disrupt IEDs or electronic controlled weapons.

There are car makers that can produce SUVs that are even explosion resistant to a direct RPG hit. But again, Iran simply doesn’t take care of its personnel. This is well documented behavior. Fakhrizadeh himself was old and been in hiding since his name first came up in early 2000’s in negotiations for interviews. I doubt he cared much if he was killed anymore.

 

[Immortals]

Could all this naval build-up be a rouse?

What if the Americans just periodically us stealth bombers to gradually decimate infrastructure?

Honestly speaking, was the naval build-up even needed?

Yes it’s needed.

If Saudi Arabia/UAE/Iraq/Turkey/Bahrain don’t allow their airspace and airbases to be used for Iran attack then US has to use its aircraft carrier fleet. An every aircraft carrier has to have its carrier group for protection and support.

Plus some naval ships have to be present to keep commercial shipping lanes open and ward off potential Iranian speedboat attacks.

Also Tomahawks attacks usually are launched from Naval ships.

B-2’s are usually used at night and on HVTs. They can fly from Diego Garcia, but the U.S. will still want F-22’s and F-35’s to assist. Since a B-2 is slow and if enemy gets fighters in the area and manages to find it, it’s extremely vulnerable with no real defenses.

 

[StrategicBear]

So Iran is just going to negotiate while waiting for the enemy to build up forces? Many "Seers" say WW3 happens this year, so we should treat the Zionist plans for making the realization of prophecies they believed seriously.

 

[Takayoshi]

If there's a conflict, will the regular army Artesh not get involved? Will the US forces target specifically IRGC assets?

Similar to how in Lebanon, the army did not involve themselves to protect Hezbollah.

 

[Watandar]

People call USA a "war junkie".

The more I reflect on this term, the more apt it becomes. I mean, aren't you all fatigued by this madness?

Our fatigue is meaningless compared to the hundreds of billions in annual profits for the MIC and the unlimited chances in geopolitical games for the elite. Yes, America is a war junkie.

 

[Mehdipersian]

If there's a conflict, will the regular army Artesh not get involved? Will the US forces target specifically IRGC assets?

Similar to how in Lebanon, the army did not involve themselves to protect Hezbollah.

There is no difference. Both the IRGC and the army will participate in defense and attack, but the IRGC's offensive capabilities are much greater.

 

[Bharatah]

If there's a conflict, will the regular army Artesh not get involved? Will the US forces target specifically IRGC assets?

Similar to how in Lebanon, the army did not involve themselves to protect Hezbollah.

In the "12-day war," Artesh participated alongside the IRGC. Iran is not Lebanese. In present-day Lebanon, Hezbollah is a party (the largest party in the country) and many parties are controlled by the Zionist lobby; this does not exist in Iran.

Artesh was used more for defense.