Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

mulj said:
Because basics of american politics, in that sense if there is no jews pressure this would be the worst possible moment for him to attack Iran given implications of it.
HE would think more then twice about implications of it unless he counts on swift and fast victory which the moment where iranians are stepping in or not, that remains to be seen.
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But why? It seems to be the perfect time to attack Iran.

1. This is his second term. So, no matter what happens, he will leave the office in 3 years anyway. He no longer needs to worry about his next presidential term.
2. Iran has never been this weak since 1988 after the Iraq-Iran war: Iranian nuclear program was effectively destroyed in June. Iranian economy is on the verge of complete collapse with Iranian Rial devaluing on a daily basis and prices soaring every week. Public dissatisfaction is at its peak. The regime has brutally suppressed protests which gives the US a moral justification to save their public image. What better time should they wait for?
3. Even if Russia wanted to help Iran (they don't, but even if they did), Russia is busy in Ukraine and needs the US to settle that war. Hence, Russia has very limited options to help Iran.
4. Venezuelan oil is back in the market and the US controls their oil now, enabling them to launch a war with Iran without worrying about a huge shock to the world economy.

It seems to be the perfect time for a US attack on Iran.
 
ShapurII said:
But why? It seems to be the perfect time to attack Iran.

1. This is his second term. So, no matter what happens, he will leave the office in 3 years anyway. He no longer needs to worry about his next presidential term.
2. Iran has never been this weak since 1988 after the Iraq-Iran war: Iranian nuclear program was effectively destroyed in June. Iranian economy is on the verge of complete collapse with Iranian Rial devaluing on a daily basis and prices soaring every week. Public dissatisfaction is at its peak. The regime has brutally suppressed protests which gives the US a moral justification to save their public image. What better time should they wait for?
3. Even if Russia wanted to help Iran (they don't, but even if they did), Russia is busy in Ukraine and needs the US to settle that war. Hence, Russia has very limited options to help Iran.
4. Venezuelan oil is back in the market and the US controls their oil now, enabling them to launch a war with Iran without worrying about a huge shock to the world economy.

It seems to be the perfect time for a US attack on Iran.
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You guys don’t want to understand. Its not up to Trump, and it’s not up to Netanyahu either. I will say it one last time

Go look up trumps policies, every single choice he has done is targeting the dollar as the world reserve currency.

Weakening the petrodollar
Weakening the euro dollar
Yen carry trade
Engineering civil unrest through ice and his maga tards

Look at the plan to rebuild Gaza as an AI city.
AI tech was beta tested in Gaza. Occupation as a service, Surveilance as a services. These cities are coming to the US and the rest of the world. They’re already using palantir in UK and other European countries.

Transnational capital has decided to end the forever war model and replace it with a new investment based model. Do you think all these companies, especially blackrock would invest in Gaza 2.0 if they didn’t think Middle East would be stable?

They need a stable Middle East. This mean no war, no proxies, no militias, no destabilization. No threat from either Iran or Israel. The last thing they want now is another destabilizing war with Iran (a real war, not a staged one). Iran either agrees to end militias, back off from Israel and make a deal with the US, or they will have to split Iran into smaller countries. This is what everyone’s trying to avoid. Including some factions in Iran who wants to accept the new Middle East model.
 
mangekyo said:
You guys don’t want to understand. Its not up to Trump, and it’s not up to Netanyahu either. I will say it one last time

Go look up trumps policies, every single choice he has done is targeting the dollar as the world reserve currency.

Weakening the petrodollar
Weakening the euro dollar
Yen carry trade
Engineering civil unrest through ice and his maga tards

Look at the plan to rebuild Gaza as an AI city.
AI tech was beta tested in Gaza. Occupation as a service, Surveilance as a services. These cities are coming to the US and the rest of the world. They’re already using palantir in UK and other European countries.

Transnational capital has decided to end the forever war model and replace it with a new investment based model. Do you think all these companies, especially blackrock would invest in Gaza 2.0 if they didn’t think Middle East would be stable?

They need a stable Middle East. This mean no war, no proxies, no militias, no destabilization. No threat from either Iran or Israel. The last thing they want now is another destabilizing war with Iran (a real war, not a staged one). Iran either agrees to end militias, back off from Israel and make a deal with the US, or they will have to split Iran into smaller countries. This is what everyone’s trying to avoid. Including some factions in Iran who wants to accept the new Middle East model.
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Say what you want, but I strongly believe a US with Biden or Harris in power would've never pressured Iran like this, let alone prepare for war with Iran.

If it weren't for covid-19 and large-scale fraud in the US presidential election in 2020, all of this would've happened 4 years earlier in Trump's second term. Biden for Iran was 4 years of pure luck to recover and strengthen our position that was not appreciated and capitalized by the idiots in power.
 
mangekyo said:
You guys don’t want to understand. Its not up to Trump, and it’s not up to Netanyahu either. I will say it one last time

Go look up trumps policies, every single choice he has done is targeting the dollar as the world reserve currency.

Weakening the petrodollar
Weakening the euro dollar
Yen carry trade
Engineering civil unrest through ice and his maga tards

Look at the plan to rebuild Gaza as an AI city.
AI tech was beta tested in Gaza. Occupation as a service, Surveilance as a services. These cities are coming to the US and the rest of the world. They’re already using palantir in UK and other European countries.

Transnational capital has decided to end the forever war model and replace it with a new investment based model. Do you think all these companies, especially blackrock would invest in Gaza 2.0 if they didn’t think Middle East would be stable?

They need a stable Middle East. This mean no war, no proxies, no militias, no destabilization. No threat from either Iran or Israel. The last thing they want now is another destabilizing war with Iran (a real war, not a staged one). Iran either agrees to end militias, back off from Israel and make a deal with the US, or they will have to split Iran into smaller countries. This is what everyone’s trying to avoid. Including some factions in Iran who wants to accept the new Middle East model.
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Then their plans will fail. There will be no stable Middle East because nobody in their right mind would want to listen to what White Europeans say. We will overthrow them from power, collapse the US Economy, and send White Europeans from colonizer to colonized status as payback for what they did to Natives and Gazans.
 
Shadi hassan said:
One or both are doing a stalling game I can’t see Iran accepting the terms laid out sorry not terms demands it will be an attempt to castrate for a future war
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Iran isn’t enriching. Hasn’t been for 7 months and likely won’t be able to for another 9-12 months.

So Iran has to see what it can get for agreeing to an extended freeze. What is Trump willing to offer Iran? What guarantees?

It all depends on what Trump is able to offer.

Right now Iran doesn’t have a nuclear program and it has some enriched uranium that would take 1-2 years to create a bomb from.

Trump wants a deal and is desperate to replace Obama’s JCPOA. Iran needs to use some common sense for next 3 years.

Chinese get it, Russians get it, Turks get it, Saudis get it, Venezuelans get it, only this leadership in Tehran doesn’t get it. They keep thinking they are negotiating with Bush, Obama, and Biden.
 
Immortals said:
It all depends on what Trump is able to offer.
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his offer : peace for another year or two so the IRI can continue replenishing their depleted stocks from the last war with israel.
its classic bully behavior: I offer not to beat you up in exchange for your lunch
 
Immortals said:
Iran isn’t enriching. Hasn’t been for 7 months and likely won’t be able to for another 9-12 months.

So Iran has to see what it can get for agreeing to an extended freeze. What is Trump willing to offer Iran? What guarantees?

It all depends on what Trump is able to offer.

Right now Iran doesn’t have a nuclear program and it has some enriched uranium that would take 1-2 years to create a bomb from.

Trump wants a deal and is desperate to replace Obama’s JCPOA. Iran needs to use some common sense for next 3 years.

Chinese get it, Russians get it, Turks get it, Saudis get it, Venezuelans get it, only this leadership in Tehran doesn’t get it. They keep thinking they are negotiating with Bush, Obama, and Biden.
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Problem is they’re not making this about nuclear issue they have added several extra things I agree nuclear issue is just for show now they want their missile program and etc they told Iranians they have no choice
 
جوبا said:
his offer : peace for another year or two so the IRI can continue replenishing their depleted stocks from the last war with israel.
its classic bully behavior: I offer not to beat you up in exchange for your lunch
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basically that’s exactly the offer on the table guarantee you not even full sanctions taken off
 
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