Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

But people on here say US is the one collapsing and dollar is worthless.

 

[ShapurII]

If this true, this is not bad..I don't want be a chest pounder...but I did say the smart move is to give trump a win. I also mentioned a moratorium on enrichment for 3-5 years to give him that win... However, i don't think we should ship up the HEU...we can keep it under lock with IAEA supervision. That HEU is ours. And without congressional approval they can break the deal again. As far as BM, we can say we won't use them preemptively.
The smartest thing the iranians can do at this point is not to listen to the supreme leader. He has consistently gotten this equation wrong. It's time to take the remote control away from grandpa.

The problem is that it is offering Iran no relief from US sanctions. So, it changes nothing for Iran or the Iranians. The number 1 threat for Iran at this point is economic collapse. One month ago when protests started in the bazaar of Tehran, 1 USD was about 140K IRT. Now it is about 165K IRT and is expected to hit 200K IRT before June. Our economy is on the verge of collapse.

They're basically pulling an Iraq on us and the Islamic Republic is moving in the exact same direction that Saddam did and acting exactly as they predicted. They have destroyed our economy, targeted us with years of propaganda, and have isolated us internationally and the Islamic Republic has done everything they predicted they would do.

The Islamic Republic has acted like Saddam in recent years. Killing and murdering more civilians after each protest while accumulating wealth in their own circles through nepotism, instead of going for major and fundamental reforms. The Islamic Republic has taken millions of Iranians in their 20s, 30s and 40s hostage with their isolationist foreign policies and disconnection from the world.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. If the regime of Ayatollahs is going through the exact same path as Saddam's Iraq, then it most likely will have the same fate.

 

[mangekyo]

There are 2 main camps in Iran.

1. The resistance camp led by Khamenei that believes its their duty to fight the west and liberate Muslims.

2. The US and China camp that does not believe in fighting the west.

I believe there is an internal power struggle in Iran. The US/China camp had Soleimani killed, Raisi killed, and the revolutionary generals killed during the 12 day war. I also believe they leaked IRGC positions in Syria to Israel and Nasrallahs position as well.

The goals is to shed all proxies and vassalise us into China.

 

[Immortals]

The problem is that it is offering Iran no relief from US sanctions. So, it changes nothing for Iran or the Iranians. The number 1 threat for Iran at this point is economic collapse. One month ago when protests started in the bazaar of Tehran, 1 USD was about 140K IRT. Now it is about 165K IRT and is expected to hit 200K IRT before June. Our economy is on the verge of collapse.

They're basically pulling an Iraq on us and the Islamic Republic is moving in the exact same direction that Saddam did and acting exactly as they predicted. They have destroyed our economy, targeted us with years of propaganda, and have isolated us internationally and the Islamic Republic has done everything they predicted they would do.

The Islamic Republic has acted like Saddam in recent years. Killing and murdering more civilians after each protest while accumulating wealth in their own circles through nepotism, instead of going for major and fundamental reforms. The Islamic Republic has taken millions of Iranians in their 20s, 30s and 40s hostage with their isolationist foreign policies and disconnection from the world.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. If the regime of Ayatollahs is going through the exact same path as Saddam's Iraq, then it most likely will have the same fate.

Now we didn’t need to end up in this situation. But from 1979 we took on a policy of mass antagonizing the U.S. The times were different, Soviet Union existed. China was a revolutionary state.

Then the entire world began to pivot to the West Russia and China included.

Instead Iran did bombing attacks, hostage taking, and support for groups to fight Israel or U.S. wherever they may be. It was very short sighted. But the time Khatami era rolled around and we decided to begin thawing relations it was too late, the Neocons hated us. Bibi had come into power in Israel and was telling everyone how much a problem Iran and Iraq were.

People forget that Reagan and Iran (led by Rouhani) attempted to repair the relationship after his election and keep Iran and U.S. relations in tact, but the religious revolutionary crowd was so short sighted they burned that bridge.

Iran now needs to rebuild and rearm. In 25-50 years maybe it can be independent and economically stable enough to decide to hate the whole world again, but for now it needs to realize its cornered due to its own actions.

 

[Immortals]

The goals is to shed all proxies and vassalise us into China.

China hasn’t been able to rescue the Pakistani economy, the North Korean economy, or the Russian economy.

You think siding with China is gonna fix the economic woes of Iran?

You must not know who Xi is or his roots.

 

[925boy]

Khamenei threatened a regional war and now they are increasing their military presence to prepare for all possible scenarios.

Hmm..you're using reverse chronological order here- US threatened Iran first with its military deployment around the Persian gulf and Iran responded to that by threatened a regional war.
You're victim blaming but its ok, we can reset your logic with good information here, as long as you are open to learning. Cheers.

 

[925boy]

Glad to see you're back, brother.

I think it is in the best interest of Iran that the transition of power happens smoothly without bloodshed but it seems that the regime and their supporters have completely lost their sanity and have chosen the path of civil war and turning Iran into another Syria instead of going for fundamental reforms and accepting that they have reached an impasse with their current policies.

But the rioters who received daggers, money, molotov cocktails, starlink to receive mossad instructions didnt WANT civil war? I guess when US gets humbled when its all said and done you'll probably dissappear from this forum, at least for a bit ( I suspect).

The forum member who rhink US is perfect, iran , Yemen, Russia, AoR are "wrong" are in for a nice shock when they world superpower shows them finally that its a paper tiger with no boots or precison ammuniton or eveN aircrwft cariers actualy available for a hard painful war.
If Iran is ready to drain US by continuing to fight for at least a year, US will lose within 6 months of the war starting. For 1, US doesn't have $2trn+ to find out if it cant subdue Iran,after years of war.

 

[mangekyo]

China hasn’t been able to rescue the Pakistani economy, the North Korean economy, or the Russian economy.

You think siding with China is gonna fix the economic woes of Iran?

You must not know who Xi is or his roots.

Did I say it’s my goal?

 

[hasn2009]

Can't confirm this and likely wishful thinking on your part. You often leap to conclusions despite the absence of evidence to back your claims.

Among all your neighbors, Turkey likely possesses the most accurate insights regarding Tehran, and political analysts and decision-makers in Ankara are saying the same:

There is a major infighting in Tehran, an internal power struggle, with decision-makers frequently "overruling" each other's "instructions".

People here are overly focused on military technicalities, battlefield strategies and potential unrest in Iran. While all of this unfolds in the Middle East, there is also an ongoing conflict within the IRI. In this regard, you are correct, and I acknowledge that. However, it is by no means as straightforward and "already decided" as you would like to portray here. The outcome remains uncertain.

Do you genuinely believe that Erdogan proposed Iran's oil, gas, and mineral resources to the US on a whim without prior consultation with Tehran? Or do you think the Turkish government would arrange a meeting between Washington and Tehran in Istanbul without receiving approval from Tehran?

Based on my understanding of the Iranian dynamics from Turkish sources, it appears there is quite a chaotic, if not nearly frantic, exchange of contradicting statements and decisions coming from Tehran.

This should worry us, not make us happy. I don't understand your optimism.

Iran's survival is on the line, 1000s of lives are in danger, in worst case it could turn to worse like Iraq where millions died. And here you are debating whether Turkey is happy or not? This should be least of Irans concern.

If I was Iran, I would stay 1000s of miles clear from trusting Turkey in this, Turkey would happily make Syria out of Iran where they will carve pieces out of Iran for themselves and for Israel like they happily did with Syria, and would happily supply Iran's oil to Israel like they are doing right now by fulfilling 40% of Israel's oil needs.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Feeling is mutual my Garb gedda "friend"!

I ask you to post with respect and this is what I get. you need a break from this thread

 

[PrinceofPersia]

Both sides are hardening their positions, negotiations are not working

 

[SolarWarden]

 

[Navid09]

China hasn’t been able to rescue the Pakistani economy, the North Korean economy, or the Russian economy.

You think siding with China is gonna fix the economic woes of Iran?

You must not know who Xi is or his roots.

Russian economy has increased in rankings since Ukraine invasion both in nominal terms and purchasing power.

North Korea gets 98% of its trade from china.

China is Pakistanis largest trading partner.

Both economies would have a GDP of 10-20% smaller without China's trade.

And considering China buys 80% of Irans oil U can imagine where iran would have been now if china wasn't a buyer.

 

[StrategicBear]

It looks like Rubio and Trump can't wait to see US ships blowing up in flames and sinking from Iranian missiles...

I say we give them what they want and let them eat it. However much they want. Because a large serving of Missile Buffet is awaiting them where they can eat missiles as much as their heart desires!

 

[ety]

China hasn’t been able to rescue the Pakistani economy, the North Korean economy, or the Russian economy.

You think siding with China is gonna fix the economic woes of Iran?

You must not know who Xi is or his roots.

Chinese gov is responsible for the well being of the economy of Chinese people. It has no obligations and authority to run or look after other friendly countries' economies, it's the job of the govs of those countries themselves. Those countries have their own political, economic and other social forms that are very different from China, one can't expect what woks in China can be enforced in those countries in any ways. Why people always think China should be responsible for other countries economic well beings ? Why people not ask why the US can't lift its allies such as Japan and Germany's economies from slumps for decades in case of Japan ?