Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[MH.Yang]

"天行健，君子以自强不息." Eggs are new born when opened from the inside, and it is only food when opened from the outside.

 

[StrategicBear]

Not sure if it is true or not but this is the major reason for Standoff between US and Iran. US does not care about Iranian nukes, missiles or whatever, thats Israeli headache after 12 day war esp. US solely does not want RMB to spread in Iranian connected markets against Iranian oil freely flowing to China (upto ~20% of Chinese consumption). They previously tried to lure in IRI through Saudis (US basically) investment in hydrocarbon sector. IRI under Raisi refused that, then him and his FM died and tensions with US and Israel rose to sky.

I am feeling this Araghchi+Larijani nexus may offer opening some proportion of Oil to USD.

Why? I thought the plot is Iran unites with China(BRICS) to replace the USD with RMB?

My worldview has always been about BRICS replacing the USA because I don't like Trump and the racist White Men ruling USA, so from my perspective I'd like to see the USA fall/collapse or descend into Civil War as payback for all the bombs they supplied to Israel killing many Palestinians and all the civvies their military killed since long ago.

 

[Persian Gulf]

If Iran doesn’t accept then the military action will begin maybe as soon as that weekend.

people say this every weekend

eventually it could be true, sure, but the constant guesswork is funny

 

[Persian Gulf]

You know what would be hilarious?
If the US kidnaps Araghchi and his diplomats in Oman and doesn't let them return to Iran lol

Turkey would be laughing then

and Oman would not be happy

 

[Persian Gulf]

please discuss witchcraft in the Epstein files in another thread (preferably outside of the Iranian section)

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Expect a blood bath during the us/Isreal bombardment

 

[Ali_Baba]

JD Vance on Iran:

The person who makes the decisions in Iran is the Supreme Leader. The President doesn't really matter.

The Foreign Minister seems to talk to the Supreme Leader and that's mainly the person that we've communicated with.

But it's a very weird country to conduct diplomacy with when you can't even talk to the person who's in charge of the country.

Trump can pick up the phone and call Putin. He can pick up the phone and call Xi. Even countries that we have very hostile relations with.

It is bizarre that we can't just talk to the actual leadership of Iran. It really makes diplomacy very difficult.



Khamenei refuses to talk and negotiate with the US directly. JD Vance is very obviously p'ssed.

The Americans want to kill or capture the Supreme Leader. To do that, they need to build up a map of all his movements, and to know he is at specific locations as part of the talks to be able to target him. Iran is too wise to this.

If Trump really wants to talk to the Supreme Leader, then maybe he should visit Tehran ? He went to North Korea ?

 

[Mehdipersian]

Jews are angry that Trump hasn't attacked yet, some of the new Epstein documents will probably be released again.

 

[Arash]

If it's true then all that masquerade about nukes is going to implode....

 

[Shags101]

The Americans want to kill or capture the Supreme Leader. To do that, they need to build up a map of all his movements, and to know he is at specific locations as part of the talks to be able to target him. Iran is too wise to this.

If Trump really wants to talk to the Supreme Leader, then maybe he should visit Tehran ? He went to North Korea ?

Trump is crazy but is he crazy enough to kill or even worse attempt to humiliate him on live television as he did with maduro sometimes the Iranians talk big and don’t act sometimes they do all of tp3 prove they can act when need be but I think if they did anything to him it would be just F it all hell would break loose and it wouldn’t stop until millions dead all over the world

 

[muhammed45]

The negotiations between PL-USA and Iran are being held in Oman already.

Ironically, PL-USA is represented by two Jews : Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner.


Iran rejected Turkey to be the host. Now people should know why, a couple of C-5 transport planes landed in Incerlik airbase. USA could have higher hand if it was held in Ankara.

PL-USA being represented by two Jews, has a hidden massage. In Europe, USA used Neo-NAZIs to speak to Russians, Taiwanese to speak with the Chinese and Jews in Iranian case. USA will fight Iran to the last Jew in Israel and elsewhere.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

The Americans want to kill or capture the Supreme Leader. To do that, they need to build up a map of all his movements, and to know he is at specific locations as part of the talks to be able to target him. Iran is too wise to this.

If Trump really wants to talk to the Supreme Leader, then maybe he should visit Tehran ? He went to North Korea ?

they need to bring in external comm. device (starlink comms or satellite comms) to guide bomb to his location, thats why, so much time taken in attack...

they are not delaying, only delaying enough to identify exact locations and work out the timing of attack

IMHO, of course, no actual experience, although, have significant reading (of events) experience

 

[Navid09]

Are you serious, they just fired Larijani's daughter from her job ....they also fired another one is the former VP's son Eissa Hashemi....there are also a news report about approx 4000 children of regime insiders living abroad.

That's not "all", you just named 2.

Here are some of the powerful ppl in Iran from past few years, which of these have children abroad?

Pezeshkian (president)
Bagheri (form. chief staff arm forces)
Raisi (former president)
Ahmedinejad (former president)
Qalibaf (speaker and mayor)
Khomenei (sup. leader)
Salami (irgc)
Qaani (irgc)
Zarif (form. Foreign Minister)
Rohani (form. Pres)
Mohseni (chief of justice)
Jannati (secretary guardian council)
Kermani (chair assembly experts)
Velayati (foreign policy advisor)
Pakpour (irgc)
Mousavi (chief of staff armed forces)
Hejazi (senior)
Etc

Shall I go on?

No evidence that these have children above

 

[Watandar]

The Americans want to kill or capture the Supreme Leader. To do that, they need to build up a map of all his movements, and to know he is at specific locations as part of the talks to be able to target him. Iran is too wise to this.

If Trump really wants to talk to the Supreme Leader, then maybe he should visit Tehran ? He went to North Korea ?

I agree that Khamenei is the main target. The playbook so far is also similar to Venezuela. The US forces build up slowly while there are negotiations and intelligence assets map out the possible locations of the leadership. In the Venezuela case however, there were people inside the regime helping the US and there was CIA teams on the ground for several weeks, collecting information and handling agents.