Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[LX1111]

Good riddance, we cant waste money anymore on countering "Israeli". Jewlani's appointment in Syria is kinda helping Iran save money since weaponry, advisors etc ant reach Lebanon anymore. Israel can bomb and rubble Lebanon or whatever it is already doing there on daily basis. Not our concern, actually it never was if we keep few Islamists out.

That's certainly good. Now the IAF can easily refuel and replenish its ammunition in Syria, after which it can easily penetrate Iran's air defense network. The IAF can easily intercept suicide drones over Syria without worrying about Assad's anti-aircraft missiles emerging from that dilapidated building.
If Assad in Syria does not fail, Iran could set up early warning radars and anti-aircraft missiles to intercept the IAF in Syria. It could even deploy a large number of inexpensive missiles with a range of 100 km in Lebanon and Syria to cover the IAF's airfields.
Iran faces a crisis of destruction because it abandoned Syria.

 

[ToddE]

There seems to be hints that IRI is seeing US as a non-monolith in talks. Witkoff was seen as weak with no authority so Kushner was apparently asked for by IRI in the talks, as somebody with more authority. Centcom general came to assure that changes in military posturing will be real not just empty promises.

IRI landing in Qatar means they are now talking to lobbies and CIA in US directly even after meeting Witkoff and Jewshner.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Unfortunately, there are those on this forum who openly wish for Iran's demise.
For years, they have clamored for Iran to cease supporting Syria and Lebanon.
I now suspect this is not merely ignorance, but a deliberate desire to see Iran left defenseless and vulnerable to invasion.

Syria was clearly Iran's greatest shield.
The fact that reformists and their supporters have long insisted on abandoning Syria... well, that's what it means.

 

[ShapurII]

Unfortunately, there are those on this forum who openly wish for Iran's demise.
For years, they have clamored for Iran to cease supporting Syria and Lebanon.
I now suspect this is not merely ignorance, but a deliberate desire to see Iran left defenseless and vulnerable to invasion.

Syria was clearly Iran's greatest shield.
The fact that reformists and their supporters have long insisted on abandoning Syria... well, that's what it means.

Iran's greatest shield should've been a modern air force and IADS along with large number of drones and missiles to enable asymmetric warfare, not a tin-pot blood thirsty dictator that escaped after 11 days and receiving tens of billions of dollars from us.

 

[ToddE]

That's certainly good. Now the IAF can easily refuel and replenish its ammunition in Syria, after which it can easily penetrate Iran's air defense network. The IAF can easily intercept suicide drones over Syria without worrying about Assad's anti-aircraft missiles emerging from that dilapidated building.
If Assad in Syria does not fail, Iran could set up early warning radars and anti-aircraft missiles to intercept the IAF in Syria. It could even deploy a large number of inexpensive missiles with a range of 100 km in Lebanon and Syria to cover the IAF's airfields.
Iran faces a crisis of destruction because it abandoned Syria.

Your entire post is stupid. Assad is gone from Syria for a long time now. War happened after that. Before IRGC had bases in Syria and so did Russia. Also Israeli AF relies on long ranged SOWs/LACMs/ALBMs, they do not need to "penetrate" anywhere. In last war thick majority strikes came from golden horizon, Sparrow, Rocks ALBMs, delilah LACMs, Ice breaker SOW/LACM from over Iraq. Even if we had 50 bavar-373 + S-400s result would have been same, because no body can stop these attack weapons like Israel could not stop IRGCAF's missiles. Rest attacks came from PGMs from drones or internal terrorism comprising of quadcopters, ATGMs. Its a revolutionary government, many many people are disgruntled and against government. In the entire war, except for one two clip of F-15 jettisoning and Flaring/chaffing once, what evidence do we have of IAF flying jets over Iranian airspace otherwise ? Even the clips of supposed Spice PGM turned out to be Ice breaker LACM. Actual aerial-supremacy means we would have hundreds of videos and pics of enemy aircraft flying over people's heads like in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq wars previously. Government had no gag order unlike Israel did on its population to hide impact of missiles.

 

[mulj]

Unfortunately, there are those on this forum who openly wish for Iran's demise.
For years, they have clamored for Iran to cease supporting Syria and Lebanon.
I now suspect this is not merely ignorance, but a deliberate desire to see Iran left defenseless and vulnerable to invasion.

Syria was clearly Iran's greatest shield.
The fact that reformists and their supporters have long insisted on abandoning Syria... well, that's what it means.

It was greatest miscalculation ever and strategic blunder that drained lot of resources and good will among muslim streets. Asad regime was not great hill chosen for falling apart. 15 years of futile battle spent country resources and strained already weak connections in region.

 

[ToddE]

China holds the rights to two-thirds of Iraq's oil fields, so we don't lack sources of oil imports. China's trade surplus last year was $1.2 trillion, so China isn't too worried about oil prices. What China is concerned about is the security of shipping routes from the Persian Gulf to China—how to ensure they aren't cut off by the Americans.

Irrelevant.

Where would china produce USD from to pay Saudis? Chinese banks are not printing USD, I can tell you that.

 

[mulj]

Iran's greatest shield should've been a modern air force and IADS along with large number of drones and missiles to enable asymmetric warfare, not a tin-pot blood thirsty dictator that escaped after 11 days and receiving tens of billions of dollars from us.

And he tipped you off to the jews on regular bases...

 

[LX1111]

Irrelevant.

Where would china produce USD from to pay Saudis? Chinese banks are not printing USD, I can tell you that.

Irrelevant.

Where would china produce USD from to pay Saudis? Chinese banks are not printing USD, I can tell you that.

This is the most ridiculous joke I've ever heard. China exported $3.77 trillion last year, but imported less than $300 billion worth of oil. Do you think China wouldn't have the money to pay Saudi Arabia for its oil?

 

[ToddE]

Iran's greatest shield should've been a modern air force and IADS along with large number of drones and missiles to enable asymmetric warfare, not a tin-pot blood thirsty dictator that escaped after 11 days and receiving tens of billions of dollars from us.

Be thankful we have not got SU-35S yet or the fleet would have been rubbled on ground. Thats how much vulnerable airbases are. See what happened in recent wars/conflicts.

 

[mulj]

Be thankful we have not got SU-35S yet or the fleet would have been rubbled on ground. Thats how much vulnerable airbases are. See what happened in recent wars/conflicts.

If you have hundreds of missile cities i assume converting dozens of those in airports should not be big issue.

 

[LX1111]

Your entire post is stupid. Assad is gone from Syria for a long time now. War happened after that. Before IRGC had bases in Syria and so did Russia.

Now that there are no Iranian bases, the IAF can fly freely over Syria.

Also Israeli AF relies on long ranged SOWs/LACMs/ALBMs, they do not need to "penetrate" anywhere. In last war thick majority strikes came from golden horizon, Sparrow, Rocks ALBMs, delilah LACMs, Ice breaker SOW/LACM from over Iraq.

These Israeli missiles aren't particularly advanced in terms of technology; a competent air defense system could easily intercept them. And let's not forget that many of the attack videos released by Israel show F-15s carrying JDAM and Paveway bombs.

 

[LX1111]

Even if we had 50 bavar-373 + S-400s result would have been same, because no body can stop these attack weapons like Israel could not stop IRGCAF's missiles. Rest attacks came from PGMs from drones or internal terrorism comprising of quadcopters, ATGMs.

The reason Iran did not intercept these Israeli missiles is simple: Iran's radar and air defense missiles are outdated.

Iran copied a bunch of old Russian P-18 radars, and the Iranians probably really believed the Russians' boasts about their anti-stealth capabilities.
You can see the gap between them by looking at China's actual anti-stealth radar.


As for Iran's air defense system, it's laughable. Iran's prized Bavar-373 missile system is only in service with one system to date.
Because Iran simply doesn't have the capability to produce a qualified X-band radar, and currently only one set of this radar has been produced.Moreover, it was destroyed in the War.

As for those four S300PMU2 systems, they were too old and had already been destroyed by the F-35.

 

[wangdefa]

I think the Iranian people and the government should agree on whether to continue negotiations at the negotiating table or to address the military challenge of the United States. I see a confusing message in this thread, and I don't see a unified core opinion at all. I'm not talking about people from other countries. It's a message that the Iranians themselves do not have a unified voice. So I can't understand that, in the face of the threat from the United States and Israel, your decision is to negotiate? Civil war? Or facing challenges?

 

[tower9]

I wonder what is going on in Tel-Aviv nowadays. They're constantly in the news with Gaza and Epstein. Their crown jewel of an organization AIPAC is getting defeated in the US regional races. They're economy is in the toilet...They're borrowing money to keep afloat. We just heard their strongest advocate in the House of Lords...Just resigned, which may eventually bring down the Starmer government. I mean, from close up it looks like theyre winning battles, but they're losing the war.

How exactly is AIPAC being defeated?