Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

Repeat of last year before the war. US-IRI are talking and things seem to improve. Suddenly Jews make an entry to coerce the compromised pedo US politicians into blackmail.

 

[ToddE]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

 

[ToddE]

Trump, Hegseth, Ratcliffe all echo chambered that half a tonne HEU was at the site and it got bombed to shreds and blah blah. Now they want it to be diluted or moved to third country? Have they slowly back tracked on their last years claim or are they implying that it was not destroyed and is still lying there somewhere in an indestructible container, extraction of which will require dozens or hundreds of millions of USD? Something more deeper is going on between US and IRI.

 

[mythbuster]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

Don't worry about your missiles program , you will be allowed to keep it partially going as a face saving gesture.... your missiles without nukes is not an existential threat to Israel.

 

[LX1111]

o you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me

Your responses are quite lengthy, and I will reply to each one individually.
Iran has long relied on improved versions of the P-18 radar, but this radar is outdated and still uses Yagi antennas, making it susceptible to interference even by the cheapest jamming pods.

After last year’s war, Iran began replicating the Soviet-era Kasta 2E2 radar. However, its technical level remains low, as can be seen from its appearance—a simple parabolic antenna.

After that, Iran imported a large number of massive VHF radars from Russia, totaling 14 units. However, these radars were designed to detect intercontinental ballistic missiles and launch vehicles, but Iran is using them to detect F-35s, which is truly puzzling.

 

[LX1111]

So you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me.

Since you are so keen on talking about copies, experts like Tom C (command over Iranian military) believe that majority Iranian AD assets are ToT's from Chinese CATIC-SAIRAN (Iran) collaboration. https://www.keymilitary.com/article/threat-analysis-iranian-air-defence-systems. Lol if we fail, you fail. Let alone Iran, your own AD weaponry has failed miserably against modern attack weapons. Your HQ-9, HQ-16 could not stop P-800 Oniks, Harop drones and client got 7-8 airbases/airports missiled. Previously same systems failed against Iranian Fateh-313 Quasi BM, Shahed-136.

Iran's air defense systems have no connection to China's. Iran's main missiles are largely imitations of Russian designs. For instance, the "March 3" missile, widely deployed by Iran, is essentially a copy of the Buk system. The problem is that the radar of the March 3 missile is nearly identical to that of the Buk-M1. Iran has replicated a Soviet-era PESA radar using ferrite technology from 50 years ago, which during last year's war even failed to detect F-15/F-16 aircraft flying directly overhead.

 

[LX1111]

So you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me.

Since you are so keen on talking about copies, experts like Tom C (command over Iranian military) believe that majority Iranian AD assets are ToT's from Chinese CATIC-SAIRAN (Iran) collaboration. https://www.keymilitary.com/article/threat-analysis-iranian-air-defence-systems. Lol if we fail, you fail. Let alone Iran, your own AD weaponry has failed miserably against modern attack weapons. Your HQ-9, HQ-16 could not stop P-800 Oniks, Harop drones and client got 7-8 airbases/airports missiled. Previously same systems failed against Iranian Fateh-313 Quasi BM, Shahed-136.

ALBMs, Hypersonic BMs, Supersonic CMs have yet to be intercepted even by worlds most advanced and layered ABM/AD shields. Russian Khinzal, P-800 Oniks/Brahmos, Iranian Fattah & Kheybar Shikan, Israeli Golden Horizon/sparrow/rocks have been used extensively in wars yet none has ever been intercepted if we leave out 5% dubious interception claim by Ukrainians of Khinzal. IRGCASF's missiles upon being on loose from their TEL are searched and tracked by US satellite and radars in Persian Gulf and Iraq. They in real time transfer the Search/track data to Israeli ABM/AD layered network. This is how much extensive and deeper the Israeli ABM/AD shield is but you know how many Fattah and Khyebar Shikan missiles were intercepted by Israelis despite them being fired in high numbers ? ZERO. You wont understand this because of low intellect but attack weaponry has far exceeded the defence tech everywhere in the world. Russian AD has on many occassions failed to stop even Ukrainian famingo and storm shadow as well and they are not even hypersonic/supersonic weapons.



Provide evidence or you are a troll ? here is my counter claim S-300 radar was hit was by an ALBM whose booster stage was found in Iraq after IRGC launched 180 missiles at Israel during TP2.

Iranians are even more prone to boasting about their weapons than Indians. Iran finds it extremely difficult to produce qualified X-band AESA radars. To this day, the Bavar-373 missile system has only produced one set of X-band fire control radar.
Now this radar has been destroyed. Iran also claims that the Meraj-4 radar, which is part of the Bavar-373 missile system, has a detection range of 450 km. In reality, this radar is a copy of China's 605B radar from the 2000s. Iran obtained the export version of this radar from Syria and replicated it, while falsely promoting it as domestically developed.

 

[mulj]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

I read rumors that Iran works intensively on multiplying missiles production capacities. That alone is scaring if Iran can muster up hundreds of missiles per month that means israel is basically defenseless even with collective west assitance in attrition game and that is scary

 

[lightning f57]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

The missiles do their job, they send a whole nation underground hiding. Israel can't sustain that economically and if the missiles get more accuracy they will destroy key assets once Israeli and US ABM systems are further depleted.

The offensive missile strategy works but the bases need better protection and improved accuracy IMO will actually provide a deterrence.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

Tens of thousands of ballistic missiles are much more dangerous than 48 Sukhoi 35 fighters.

If all these Sukhoi were to attack at the same time, it would be unlikely that they would even be able to get close to Israel's borders (the American, British, French and Arabs airforces , and Israel itself protect the Jewish masters).

 

[Arash]

NEW — Israel's demands put forward in the talks between the US and Iran:

Complete cancellation of Iran's nuclear program.
Reduction of uranium enrichment to zero.
Reduction of uranium enrichment capability to zero.
Removal of enriched uranium from Iran.
Limiting the range of Iranian missiles to 300 km.
Elimination of the Shiite axis.
Close, strong, and genuine monitoring of the implementation of these items.

- Israel Channel 14 -



Insane demands. No self-respecting Iranian could accept these terms.

Apparently Aragchi already told them no....

 

[tsunset]

NEW — Israel's demands put forward in the talks between the US and Iran:

Complete cancellation of Iran's nuclear program.
Reduction of uranium enrichment to zero.
Reduction of uranium enrichment capability to zero.
Removal of enriched uranium from Iran.
Limiting the range of Iranian missiles to 300 km.
Elimination of the Shiite axis.
Close, strong, and genuine monitoring of the implementation of these items.

- Israel Channel 14 -



Insane demands. No self-respecting Iranian could accept these terms.

They asked to limit the missiles range to 30km, not 300

 

[tsunset]

I don't understand how the US wants Iran to limit its missiles range to 30km, how is it technically feasible unless its total disarmament?

A missile like Khorramshahr or Sejjil has a length of 15m with 2000km range with a 1500kg warhead, they will put a 100ton warhead to reduce the range to 30km?

 

[Shags101]

I don't understand how the US wants Iran to limit its missiles range to 30km, how is it technically feasible unless its total disarmament?

A missile like Khorramshahr or Sejjil has a length of 15m with 2000km range with a 1500kg warhead, they will put a 100ton warhead to reduce the range to 30km?

I thought you were joking it’s actually 300km(which I agree is laughable and basically telling Iran to surrender) even neighboring countries in all of the Middle East can reach targets with missiles 200 miles or more but what’s your source for 30 km.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

Fighter aircrafts need large airfields to operate from. They are impossible to hide. That is why they are easy to eliminate even on ground in a surprise attack.

Ballistic missiles can be concealed in underground bases and are usually on mobile launchers, so can fire from anywhere. no need for large runways.

Secondly, BMs are Iran's own program that means Iran controls how much advance it can go. So obviously Israelis are most concerned about it.

Iran can hit Telaviv with its BMs and not with SU-35s. That's why Israel is only concerned about Iran's BMs. Not to mention that SU-35s still a non-stealth fighter jets, Israelis will still consider an edge because of their 5th gen F-35s for any air engagements. I think Israel would have made some noise or feel concerned had Iran ordered SU-57s and not the SU-35s.