Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Truth....but I think Iranians are good chess players, they know the playbook by now.....they will do some damage, I'm sure of it. The strait of Hormuz alone will cost the West very dearly....even if they don't do anything else.
I don't have a military background, but the way they will go at us, is the same way they went against Saddam.....they will try to take out comms, command and control, and air defenses using Tomahawks....then they will use F-35s to blow up the air bases to make sure nothing can take off to challenge them in the air. I'm certain they will have agents on the ground as well.....these guys will try and get close to the bases and fly in drones and quadcopters against targets.
If Iran can blunt the first 2 objectives, they can significantly stunt their victory. This will give Iran time to launch missiles against the naval assets. If Iran hits the carrier....and prevent the F35's returning it will turn their ops topsy-turvy...they will have to switch gears to plan B and that has it's own set of consequences for the US. The more chaos Iran introduces to the mix the better.....it's important that Iran has commanders with their own set of objectives...because the first few hours are crucial and Iranian forces cannot wait for central command....they need to execute plans independently.

PS: One more thing keep moving those TELs around...their entire objective roadmap depends on their intel....if their intel is upended on those TELs then Iran can fire off a few hundred missiles in the first few hours, this would be extremely detrimental to their battle plans. Iran also could use a surprise.....something like a secret missile arsenal out of the Iraqi border area.

Iraq attack's first few hours are notated below:

• Targeted Airstrikes: Initial attacks, featuring Tomahawk cruise missiles and F-117 stealth fighters, targeted specific locations where Saddam Hussein and senior staff were believed to be meeting.
• "Shock and Awe" Goal: The aerial bombardment aimed to stun Iraqi forces, neutralize air defenses, and destroy command infrastructure, often causing air raid sirens and explosions across Baghdad.
• Special Forces Action: Before the main ground assault, U.S. Special Forces were already operating in Kurdish-controlled areas in the north.

how many aircrafts and number of sorties, will take to bring down infrastructure which can paralyze, silos in the mountains?

if that number is not much bigger, then, it will have impact on other major players in the region

and

importantly, which aircraft they use it to neuter the possibility of missile strikes

 

[Mehdipersian]

how many aircrafts and number of sorties, will take to bring down infrastructure which can paralyze, silos in the mountains?

if that number is not much bigger, then, it will have impact on other major players in the region

and

importantly, which aircraft they use it to neuter the possibility of missile strikes

They cannot destroy Iran's missile bases, which are hundreds of meters underground. They can only block the entrances. Their only problem is that the number of missile bases in Iran is large and scattered, and they need a very large number of sorties to temporarily stop missile attacks. The entrances will probably be repaired quickly, within a few weeks, after the bombing is over.

There is also the issue of underground launch silos, which Iran did not use in the previous war. In fact, there was no need for this at all because there was a ceasefire.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

They cannot destroy Iran's missile bases, which are hundreds of meters underground. They can only block the entrances. Their only problem is that the number of missile bases in Iran is large and scattered, and they need a very large number of sorties to temporarily stop missile attacks. The entrances will probably be repaired quickly, within a few weeks, after the bombing is over.

There is also the issue of underground launch silos, which Iran did not use in the previous war. In fact, there was no need for this at all because there was a ceasefire.

they dont need to destroy underground bases (but thats only limited to mountain bases without silos)

if they can maintain constant air cover, underground base could remain in-active (note, this can also be achieved with armed drones or LM)

for silos, there is no way only air cover can stop launches from such sites. Though effectiveness will come down to number of silos available

oTOH, if IR takes out CSG, in the first few hours, it is game over for USA

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

The fundamental rule is that the party inflicting the greatest damage during the initial assault shall dictate the terms of the ceasefire. At times, it appears that the 'strategic patience' which is Iran's greatest strength might become its biggest blunder this time.

"Use it before you lose it".

 

[kastor ville]

how many aircrafts and number of sorties, will take to bring down infrastructure which can paralyze, silos in the mountains?

if that number is not much bigger, then, it will have impact on other major players in the region

and

importantly, which aircraft they use it to neuter the possibility of missile strikes

The problem with you guys is you think this is about winning..... I know for a fact they're going to pound us. They're a war tribe, I've said this many times. This is what they're good at, that's not lost on me. I am saying that we can make that victory as costly as possible. I dont dilIute myself thinking we can win.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

The fundamental rule is that the party inflicting the greatest damage during the initial assault shall dictate the terms of the ceasefire. At times, it appears that the 'strategic patience' which is Iran's greatest strength might become its biggest blunder this time.

"Use it before you lose it".

yes, greatest damage in the first strike, but with least amount of assets involved!

also, the quality of assets for first strike would also matter (im sayin, impact on outcomes for Indo_Pak war scenario)

our neighbors are copy cats, they will immediately seek the same equipment

but if IR can inflict the damage on first strike, Pak. will learn quickly!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

The problem with you guys is you think this is about winning..... I know for a fact they're going to pound us. They're a war tribe, I've said this many times. This is what they're good at, that's not lost on me. I am saying that we can make that victory as costly as possible. I dont dilIute myself thinking we can win.

no, IR can win, if it can force CSG to leave the arena.

this req. extremely good planning

 

[SolarWarden]

The fundamental rule is that the party inflicting the greatest damage during the initial assault shall dictate the terms of the ceasefire. At times, it appears that the 'strategic patience' which is Iran's greatest strength might become its biggest blunder this time.

"Use it before you lose it".

A preempt would cause a bit of chaos in getting lucky and taking out some of the strike aircraft but the outcome would be the same just would take longer but at least it would show regime had some balls.

 

[Mehdipersian]

they dont need to destroy underground bases (but thats only limited to mountain bases without silos)

if they can maintain constant air cover, underground base could remain in-active (note, this can also be achieved with armed drones or LM)

for silos, there is no way only air cover can stop launches from such sites. Though effectiveness will come down to number of silos available

oTOH, if IR takes out CSG, in the first few hours, it is game over for USA

There are silos in Iran that are designed to launch missiles, just like bullets from a gun. From the very beginning, these silos and missile bases were designed for war with the United States, and they are certainly very dispersed and in great numbers.

 

[SolarWarden]

- United States Air Force - Middle East Activity (Coronet)17 February - 1129zThere are currently 36x F-16s and 12x F-22s on the move, or about to depart towards the Middle East. 12x F-16s each from Aviano and Spangdahlem in Europe, and 12x from McEntire Joint National Guard Base.F-22 Raptors as TREND 51 flight have departed Langley Air Force Base with ROMA tankers on Coronet East 033.


I think B52s will start to deploy in coming days or weeks to Diego Garcia

 

[kastor ville]

moving all those assets to negotiate is expensive. No one wants war but Israel has the last say and Bibi has been getting everything he wants and then some from super Goy USA. I think Greenland was Israels plan too to make Iran war more palpable for the European Goyim

Don't belive the hype...yes Israel has a lot of influence in the WH...but not as much as you all think...there is still a lot different voices in DC.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

yes, greatest damage in the first strike, but with least amount of assets involved!

also, the quality of assets for first strike would also matter (im sayin, impact on outcomes for Indo_Pak war scenario)

our neighbors are copy cats, they will immediately seek the same equipment

but if IR can inflict the damage on first strike, Pak. will learn quickly!

Agreed. There is the Russia-Ukraine type of war, and then there is the India-Pakistan conflict of May. You must understand your strengths. A long-term, protracted war favors powers like Russia, India, and the US/Israel; however, a short, high-intensity conflict favors countries like Pakistan and Iran. The strategy should be to deliver a maximum punch—inflicting enough damage within a short span of time to force a conclusion on terms favorable to you.

The problem with you guys is you think this is about winning..... I know for a fact they're going to pound us. They're a war tribe, I've said this many times. This is what they're good at, that's not lost on me. I am saying that we can make that victory as costly as possible. I dont dilIute myself thinking we can win.

Keep in mind that the objective for Israel and the United States is not to conquer Iran, but rather to neutralize it as a serious threat. Furthermore, Iran's greatest threat comes from within.

A preempt would cause a bit of chaos in getting lucky and taking out some of the strike aircraft but the outcome would be the same just would take longer but at least it would show regime had some balls.

It is widely understood that Iran cannot win a conventional war against the United States/Israel. Their strategy, instead, is to make the conflict so costly for the US and Israel that they are forced to de-escalate before regime fall.

regime had some balls.

I don't think so.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Leader of Iran:

They keep saying we sent ships to Iran. Okay, of course Aircraft carrier is a dangerous device, but more dangerous than the ship is the weapon that can sink this ship to the bottom of the sea.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Don't belive the hype...yes Israel has a lot of influence in the WH...but not as much as you all think...there is still a lot different voices in DC.

Seriously
The United States is a vassal state or proxy of Israel.

Leader of Iran:

They keep saying we sent ships to Iran. Okay, of course Aircraft carrier is a dangerous device, but more dangerous than the ship is the weapon that can sink this ship to the bottom of the sea.

I hope they possess that anti-ship weaponry and have both the resolve and the capability to deploy it during a conflict.


By the way, if we suppose that Iran used it and sank one or two aircraft carriers, what do you think would happen?