Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Agreed. We should fight corruption and mismanagement. Not wish for foreign countries to bomb us and balkanize us.

A person does not live forever. People will not wait forever for the regime to start major reforms.

People think that they have given this regime enough time, and nothing has worked. They simply do not care about people's opinion as they are driven by ideology instead of rational decisions and patriotism. Every peaceful protest in Iran has been brutally suppressed. It is out of desperation that Iranians are calling for regime change now.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Oh please, no comparison. The Persian diaspora is exponentially larger than whatever Iraqis were in 2003. They are wealthier, with a sense of identity (Persian vs different group of Iraqis).
Many of the Persians are well spoken and photogenic - which are effective tools in a Western beauty standard dominated media.
Very few Iraqis except that Chalabi dude wanted war. There's no comparison

non-muslim IR or Muslim IR with hatred for others, are extremely sought after, in Western deep state.

Iraqis are un-educated bunch

 

[Meengla]

The real deterrence of the regime in Iran came from internal support. That's why the US did not invade Iran in 2006. Iran didn't have even one-tenth of the missile force it has now back then, and yet Bush never dared to touch Iran.

I am certain that the noose on Iran is being tightened due to the fall of Iran's allies in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria! Soon after Assad fell, Netanyahu even crowed about a 'unique opportunity' to finally take care of Iran.
The damned protests you seem to give too much credit for, along with your strange accreditation of the Pahlavi Prince, are not major factors: Protests happened before in Iran over the decades but this time even Mr. Bessent has taken credit for the latest one. But the latest protest failed as they should have because no State is going to tolerate the violence and anarchy inside it: Americans slaughtered each other for four years during their Civil War of the 1860s. That's how it goes globally!

Anyway, I think have said enough about what I think is happening and there is no convincing you.

 

[ShapurII]

I am certain that the noose on Iran is being tightened due to the fall of Iran's allies in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria! Soon after Assad fell, Netanyahu even crowed about a 'unique opportunity' to finally take care of Iran.
The damned protests you seem to give too much credit for, along with your strange accreditation of the Pahlavi Prince, are not major factors: Protests happened before in Iran over the decades but this time even Mr. Bessent has taken credit for the latest one. But the latest protest failed as they should have because no State is going to tolerate the violence and anarchy inside it: Americans slaughtered each other for four years during their Civil War of the 1860s. That's how it goes globally!

Anyway, I think have said enough about what I think is happening and there is no convincing you.

Let time prove who is right then. So, tell me what you think will happen and I will tell you what I think will happen.

We can return to this conversation a few years from now and see who was closer to reality. Deal?

 

[Meengla]

Let time prove who is right then. So, tell me what you think will happen and I will tell you what I think will happen.
We can return to this conversation a few years from now and see who was closer to reality. Deal?

I am in no position to say what will happen especially not really knowing the domestic politics of Iran. But what I should happen is an Iran which is not fragmented, not under Israel's influence, and is stable. I don't care if some Stalin or some Mullah rules that Iran.

 

[Hayabusa]

Anyone who doesn't mind their country's territorial integrity to be violated, are not true countryman.

No loyal countryman would wish for that.

 

[Indos]

You're not an Iranian. Iranians do not consider your lot anything but filth that needs to be cleaned from our beloved, proud country.

He is Conservative Iranian and you are Liberal ones

The same extreme but different ideology

You need more moderate Islamist and more moderate Liberalist that will create coalition of moderate group that will lead the nation

I think it is the recipe for prosperous nation. In Quran it is already said about this group that sit in the middle rather than go extreme left and right as the best group of people

 

[ShapurII]

I am in no position to say what will happen especially not really knowing the domestic politics of Iran. But what I should happen is an Iran which is not fragmented, not under Israel's influence, and is stable. I don't care if some Stalin or some Mullah rules that Iran.

Well, let me tell you what will happen in my opinion. You can judge how close it was to the truth a few years later:

1. The regime in Iran will not change course fundamentally and will continue to brutally suppress peaceful protests. The economy will get worse during this time. Protests will show up more often than before until the system is ready for implosion.
2. The US will attack Iran and resolve the last remaining threat of the Islamic Republic, i.e. its ballistic missiles before its final blow. After that, they will force the regime to accept all their conditions, or face new strikes and regime change. The regime will eventually be so weakened that either it will accept all the US conditions, or fall at the hands of the Iranians.

Whether Pahlavi will come or not is irrelevant. I can't care less about him or anybody else, to be honest with you. For me, Pahlavi is just a tool for transition from this regime. The important thing is that Iran will be forced to stop being a revolutionary regime with Islamic ideology.

And all of this will happen in the next 5 years. Most likely, in the next 2 years.

 

[ShapurII]

He is Conservative Iranian and you are Liberal ones

The same extreme but different ideology

You need more moderate Islamist and more moderate Liberalist that will create coalition of moderate group that will lead the nation

I think it is the recipe for prosperous nation. In Quran it is already said about this group that sit in the middle rather than go extreme left and right as the best group of people

Trust me, I'm a centralist. I have been here long enough for people to know that I have a long history of supporting the IR, until recent events.

If you want to see real Iranians who are the extreme left, go to platforms where Iranians post like Instagram, X, reddit, YouTube, etc. and the moment a person like him talks, they will shower him with insults and threats. These people do not even dare to go there.

 

[Watandar]

Trump plans an initial limited attack, then to go back to negotiate, and then if Iran still unwilling to surrender to launch larger attacks. That sounds quite ridiculous to me as if Iran will just sit there and take blows and cooperate with Trump's plans. This is likely disinformation.

Trump considering initial limited strike against Iran, source says

Trump says "bad things" will happen if deal isn’t reached.

abcnews.com

Dropsite news article that talked about a much larger American attack that involves decapitation of political and military leadership and large scale destruction of nuke/missile infrastructure seems more plausible. Then US leaves and Israel comes into the picture.

 

[mangekyo]

A person does not live forever. People will not wait forever for the regime to start major reforms.

People think that they have given this regime enough time, and nothing has worked. They simply do not care about people's opinion as they are driven by ideology instead of rational decisions and patriotism. Every peaceful protest in Iran has been brutally suppressed. It is out of desperation that Iranians are calling for regime change now.

Let’s not be impatient. Impatience is what created this mess in the first place. We will die one day no matter what. What’s important is that Iran lives. I’d rather have Iran led by a shitty government as long as it’s unified than balkanize it. If Iran gets balkanized, we arent getting it back, ever. Let’s put our trust in the young and future generations of Iranians inside Iran.

 

[Meengla]

1. The regime in Iran will not change course fundamentally and will continue to brutally suppress peaceful protests. The economy will get worse during this time. Protests will show up more often than before until the system is ready for implosion.
2. The US will attack Iran and resolve the last remaining threat of the Islamic Republic, i.e. its ballistic missiles before its final blow. After that, they will force the regime to accept all their conditions, or face new strikes and regime change. The regime will eventually be so weakened that either it will accept all the US conditions, or fall at the hands of the Iranians.

Thank you. But could you please sequence the events?? I am a little confused there.

The important thing is that Iran will be forced to stop being a revolutionary regime with Islamic ideology.

Iran's revolutionary zeal days are over. Time for the survival days. And I chuckle at the thought of brilliant people like Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Larry C. Johnson, a certain retired old UK diplomat (name forgetting) who just two years ago were crowing about the Iranian military might to deter even America. They must all be eating humble pies because the equation now boils down to how many bodybags can Trump absorb to please Netanyahu.

 

[Serendipity]

your new leader went to Trump's new genocidal 'board of peace' along with Israel and started praising how peaceful Trump is while he threatens to attack Iran

what response did you expect from Iranians to that? don't take it so personally.

Feigning ignorance will not protect you. The Irania have been attacking their neighbour's long before that. And this is what is irksome. You want different standards applied to yourselves and different standards applied to others. And always a facade of ignorance to defend it when you know the truth. Oh im not the one taking it personally, I am well grounded on the shortcomings of our people. At least we have the courage to admit them.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Feigning ignorance will not protect you. The Irania have been attacking their neighbour's long before that. And this is what is irksome. You want different standards applied to yourselves and different standards applied to others. And always a facade of ignorance to defend it when you know the truth. Oh im not the one taking it personally, I am well grounded on the shortcomings of our people. At least we have the courage to admit them.

I am speaking in facts, you are speaking with emotion. You have not once attempted to engage with what your leader told Trump, constantly changing the subject to Iran's past misdeeds instead.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Only after we have settled our internal problems, we should start to think about negotiation with the US, or regional adventures.

they won't give us time for that, so that order will not work

I think everyone agrees IRI needs systematic reforms throughout the economy, political system, and society

no one appears strong enough or competent enough in the current system to make that happen