Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[maxpane]

After 12 days of wars how many moles had been arrested by irani forces?

 

[Eşbah]

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Dems are worse than Reps. At least with Republicans everything is out in the open.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

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Dems are worse than Reps. At least with Republicans everything is out in the open.

Democrats also want to take on Iran, but they do rather use the hands of the Republicans to do this dirty work.

 

[muhammed45]

Trump : Iranian missiles can reach Europe

Iran and Russia:

Europeans and their armies are terrorists.

Russia is covertly killing NATO terrorists in Ukraine, i hope our day comes too.

 

[mulj]

Not sure I buy this:

“Israeli intelligence has concluded that even with the imminent arrival of the USS Gerald R Ford later this week, the US has military capacity to sustain just a four to five day intense aerial assault on Iran, or a week of lower-intensity strikes."

U.S. spends $1T dollars a YEAR on its military. It has enough munitions and air power to sustain more than a week long strike.

Lots of disinformation floating around for various purposes.

chips and rare earth minerals could hinder ramping up production.

 

[mulj]

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still 3 US destroyers in the Persian Gulf very close to Iranian shores

and 5 US Coast Guard ships stationed in Bahrain

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Iran should hit all of these in the opening hours of any war

best chance for inflicting human losses for att

My guess is we will have JCPOA 2.0.

It may be straight to a deal without any war or just a limited strike, retaliation from iran. Then a cease fire and finally slowly towards a deal.

Basically I don't think we will have a massive war, so far trump hasn't shown this kind of behaviour, in 2017-2018 he done similar build up relative for north Korea and threat levels were high but nothing happened. He is after optics, short victories, and backdoor deals.

Also Iran has too much deterrence, Israel hasn't stocked up on interceptors, Gerald ford carrier is in need of maintenance and low crew morale. Oil prices could shoot up and trigger financial crisis and internal protests.

On the other hand for trump to move all this force and then back off without signing a deal, even if he does a limited strike doesn't make sense, in other words this build up must be for negotiating leverage.

So after deal is signed, Iran starts relying on imports again, internal industry suffers a bit, then a few years later, next president will probably withdraw again from the deal, be it trumps third term, Vance or anyone else.

Essentially goal being to keep Iran always in limbo, and so that it can't attain true self sufficiency.

Somewhere in between they will probably start a civil war in Iraq, sending in Sunni extremists, and mercanaries from syria to weaken the PMF and further isolate Iran.

And over time they will degrade Hezbollah through attrition.

If they cant change or balkanise the country, then just always keep it weak through soft power.

That would be currently huge iranian victory and i doubt that ziojews would allow it as they have influence over american senate stronger thane orange man. on the other side regarding second part of your analysis show clear downsizes of that "victory", so best option and at the same time harshest and risky one for Iran is to go full nuclear no matter what then maybe those fanatical jews and their goyims would leave Iran alone or at least treat it is enemy on equal basis which would allow Iran proper breathing space.

 

[mulj]

Well...Iran has paid a huge price for its defiance of the West/Zios since 1979 and the people are tired. It's understandable they indulge in fantasies and alternate history.

You also have to give the GCC devils their due. In the past 125 years the Arabs of what is the GCC broadly aligned with the British against the Ottoman Turks, then with the Americans against the Communists, and then after 1979 with the Americans / Israelis against Iran.

This strategy alongwith huge oil revenues paid off big time for them. Sure many people had to be ruined, like the Palestinians who were utterly destroyed but ....you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs right ? That was the price demanded by the West and Zionists.

What I find interesting is a potentially post Iran Mideast. What will these Arabs do when there is no longer the Iran bogeyman ?? For the first time in 125 years they will lose their relevance to the West and be at the utter mercy of the Zionists. I hope they get everything they deserve.

if that happens and Iran becomes zio friendly western zombi democracythen GCC would become irrelevant and bot subservient to the jews and Iran consequently, saudis already acknowledged this and they are terrified by that scenario.

 

[mulj]

Well...Iran has paid a huge price for its defiance of the West/Zios since 1979 and the people are tired. It's understandable they indulge in fantasies and alternate history.

You also have to give the GCC devils their due. In the past 125 years the Arabs of what is the GCC broadly aligned with the British against the Ottoman Turks, then with the Americans against the Communists, and then after 1979 with the Americans / Israelis against Iran.

This strategy alongwith huge oil revenues paid off big time for them. Sure many people had to be ruined, like the Palestinians who were utterly destroyed but ....you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs right ? That was the price demanded by the West and Zionists.

What I find interesting is a potentially post Iran Mideast. What will these Arabs do when there is no longer the Iran bogeyman ?? For the first time in 125 years they will lose their relevance to the West and be at the utter mercy of the Zionists. I hope they get everything they deserve.

if that happens and Iran becomes zio friendly western zombi democracythen GCC would become irrelevant and bot subservient to the jews and Iran consequently, saudis already acknowledged this and they are terrified by that scenario.

 

[OldTwilight]

After 12 days of wars how many moles had been arrested by irani forces?

almost zero... I.R is too curupted

 

[maxpane]

almost zero... I.R is too curupted

brother am serious. am not trolling here. just want to know

 

[Arash]

What do you think is going to be the "reward" for these arabs when Israel achieves its Greater Israel project?

Free camels females ?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Modern wars "don’t last very long" (5-15 days) is historically inaccurate regarding major power conflicts. While the initial "shock and awe" phase is short, the occupations, proxy wars, and asymmetric warfare that follow last for decades (e.g., Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine). The U.S. has already proven it can maintain massive defense budgets and deficits for prolonged periods. Arab money will alleviate the pain and the argument that the "American economy can’t really afford it" ignores the reality that the U.S. defense budget is treated as a political priority, not a fiscal constraint, by Washington.

Why Pakistan and Iran haven't improved their economic partnership and signed a defense pact is beyond astonishing, in a rapidly changing world both need to put aside their differences and work in unity. Both Iran and Pakistan need each other more than before and both have common enemies.

The US goal isn't to defeat Iran in 10-15 days and the US will likely use the Iraq model over time. Constant economic and military pressure will be maintained over a year or more, one or the other will crack and the US and it's allies will take advantage. The cost of any US operation will be covered by the US Arab allies , UAE, KSA Qatar?

However, the orange clown has cornered himself... the prestige of an empire once lost never returns... remember this was grandfathered-in... US was never a true colonial power... instead opting for financial coercions and system of systems approach. All that...
The last thing US had until now was threatening without really threatening...flexing and getting results.
Sanctioning people, institutions, trade, finances
When you bring it all in... don't get results and threaten with nukes!
You have lost the plot... lost the fear factor! The sole feather in the cap... one getting things done... getting the fiat going after defaulting on gold convertibility.

It does not work... worse that can happen right now is a prized possession undone for the world to see and the genie never goes back in the bottle ever!
With the succession broken... no one power takes the crown.

 

[the saint]

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[Meengla]

Watched this yesterday; Patrick Henningsen is quickly becoming one of my favorite analysts. He has been to Iran, has interacted with officials there and is looking at the geopolitics in that region with a lens broader than Trita Parsi and Max Blumenthal.
While this entire video is worth watching, starting about this point he brings up Pakistan to be 'extremely important' in helping Iran by providing intelligence and that Afghanistan is an enemy of Iran.

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[Meengla]

So the orange man has the SOTU speech tonight..judging by what Schumer said, it looks like he wants to make the case to the American people for attacking Iran....to that I say good luck clown....you sow it, be ready to reap it.

I watched most of the SOTU last night and probably missed the last 5-15 minutes because it was long, tiring just to watch and that he seemed getting done with the foreign policy aspects by then.
It didn't seem like he was addressing foreign policy much, which was a surprise to me.