Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
Iran was negotiating from a much stronger hand than now. MUCH STRONGER.

So, if the Islamic Republic folded and capitulated like that when Iran had enjoyed 12 years of peak oil prices with sizeable FOREX reserves and Iran had 13 tons of 3.5% LEU and hundreds of kilograms of 20% HALEU, imagine what sort of concessions they are willing to give now to stay a few more years in power.
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Okay remind me again...
Iran was expected to gain over a $100 billion in frozen funds. Is that the someone negotiating from a position of strength?
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
Everything is possible... only knowledge, capacity and capability should remain intact.

The goal however is to disarm Iran into a rump state first... do a regime change internally as outside coercion and force projection present untenable consequences. Replace with a familiar face ... baby king or someone else that shows charisma... and finally crack the nut into multiple pieces.

Iran has played into the hands of the collective by not establishing a deterrent! The Ayatollah could have allowed the development and given verdict on no first use! He didn't.
Pakistan by comparison has no such qualms... it is amenable to first use if threatened.
Now they have permanently relegated themselves to playing with an inherent disadvantage.
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The Ayatollah regime never meant to fight with Western imperialism or cause any sort of annoyance. Their stance on Israel is purely ideological to expand their religious influence in the region under the theory of Umm al-Qura. It is neither pragmatic, nor realistic.

If the Ayatollahs did truly want to fight against the Western expansionism, their family members wouldn't live in Western countries in the first place.
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
Okay remind me again...
Iran was expected to gain over a $100 billion in frozen funds. Is that the someone negotiating from a position of strength?
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Do you know how much money has been stolen from Iranians by the Trustees?
Tabnak, an Iranian newspaper with official license in Iran, has revealed that the trustees have not returned 130 billion dollars since 2019!

By the way, for context, if you do not know, the trustees refer to the trusted elites in Iran, with strong links to the establishment and the IRGC in particular, who are using shadow fleets and money laundering networks in the region to smuggle Iranian oil and evade sanctions.

Iran could've survived without that $100 billion easily. Iran had enjoyed tremendous oil revenue in early 2000s after the invasion of Afghanistan, and particularly after the invasion of Iraq. Popular support for the regime was much higher than now, when the regime is on the verge of collapse due to implosion and internal protests.

Instead of signing the JCPOA, the Iranian officials should've negotiated with our own people. Resolve the issues that were sources of discord among Iranians. And they should've built the f*cking bomb instead of surrendering and folding like that.
 
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tomorrow is the decisive day. Iran and the US will negotiate (apparently still indirectly) in Vienna. Iran will bring their draft proposal, and the US will see if they like it and form an opinion on how sincere Iran is and whether a deal is possible. if not, ...
 
ShapurII said:
Do you know how much money has been stolen from Iranians by the Trustees?
Tabnak, an Iranian newspaper with official license in Iran, has revealed that the trustees have not returned 130 billion dollars since 2019!

By the way, for context, if you do not know, the trustees refer to the trusted elites in Iran, with strong links to the establishment and the IRGC in particular, who are using shadow fleets and money laundering networks in the region to smuggle Iranian oil and evade sanctions.

Iran could've survived without that $100 billion easily. Iran had enjoyed tremendous oil revenue in early 2000s after the invasion of Afghanistan, and particularly after the invasion of Iraq. Popular support for the regime was much higher than now, when the regime is on the verge of collapse due to implosion and internal protests.

Instead of signing the JCPOA, the Iranian officials should've negotiated with our own people. Resolve the issues that were sources of discord among Iranians. And they should've built the f*cking bomb instead of surrendering and folding like that.
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Again hindsight is 20/20!
For ones seeking to normalize... where a great chunk of population who looks up to the west for direction, fashion and lifestyle. That was the goal...

Ask them again and they honestly believed they'd become France of the Middleeast!
However, nukes definitely would have given them leverage... not to disarm but to direct any negotiations towards development and trade. Instead got tied up on the first base!
 
Persian Gulf said:
tomorrow is the decisive day. Iran and the US will negotiate (apparently still indirectly) in Vienna. Iran will bring their draft proposal, and the US will see if they like it and form an opinion on how sincere Iran is and whether a deal is possible. if not, ...
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the war wont be easy for them ...
 
US a decade ago got hand on unknown technology that is speculated to come from the hidden side of the moon, notably quantum chips to modify gravity and humans such as making them invisible, this technology was on display during the capture of Maduro without anyone resisting or fighting back

Iran should go into full raging bull Berserk mode against the whole region installation and infrastrcuture and aim to kill as much living things as it can
 
Persian Gulf said:
tomorrow is the decisive day. Iran and the US will negotiate (apparently still indirectly) in Vienna. Iran will bring their draft proposal, and the US will see if they like it and form an opinion on how sincere Iran is and whether a deal is possible. if not, ...
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prediction: negotiation would collapse!

sole purpose of brining Trump into power is to de-nuc. IR!
 
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Kick all Indians from Iran, kick them from Chabahar, give it to Pakistan or China instead

Iran has only to win by kicking out India, the smell will be better for Iranians, our toilets won't be clogged and the less child killer supporters the better it is
 
Seems the "Plot" has thicken , now you can see direct connection between Espionage in Iran by India /Israel

The Chabahar port was used to smuggle in the Starlinks and previous drones

At one point UAE was also quite keen to own Control of Islamabad airport.
Imagine that close to Pakistan's strategic City of Rawalpindi
 
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AZADPAKISTAN2009 said:
Seems the "Plot" has thicken , now you can see direct connection between Espionage in Iran by India and Israel

The Chabahar port was used to smuggle in the Starlinks and previous drones

At one point UAE was also quite keen to own Control of Islamabad airport.
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Iranians are still in denial about the India threat.
 
In a way the missile attack on Pakistan from India was coordinated attack with Israel same time they were active in Syria/Lebanon/Palestine

Lets not forget the drones that entered Pakistan airspace were of Israeli Origin

The nexus has been active already , just never came to the front
 
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