Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Meengla said:
Then Trump came in again instead of Kamala.
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Also, all Chinese and Iranians should stop listening to the Russian propaganda

Trump is only good for Russia because MAGA views Russians as their own kins as a white christian nation.

China has to sacrifice a lot of economic opportunities to build up a hyper powerful military in order to keep Trump at bay.

Iran is now clinging for its own life.

The democrats are disgusting as well, but at least they are not batsh1t crazy like the orange.
 
Inna lillahi wa Inna ilaihee rajeoon.

Two things:

1. USA will not let iran off the hook unless iran officially surrenders.
2. Iran had time to prepare for all these scenarios from succession to counter.

Both points in motion. Now it is USA trying to get the job done as fast as possible VS Iran trying to drag this longer.

I am afraid that USA will go ferocious with each passing day to wrap this shit they started. Question remains on Iranian playback tactics for this scenario and how much has it been compromised by informers/Spies.
 
Meengla said:
Then Trump came in again instead of Kamala.
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True. But Kamala was an awful candidate and unfortunately Joe Biden couldn’t stop his dementia from showing.

The problem from the start is Democrats are spineless losers in the U.S. political machine when it comes to foreign agreements. Iran should have stuck to its principles in 1980s when it refused to negotiate with the weakling Democrat Carter over the hostage crisis and waited for the Republican Reagan. Who even ended up selling Iran weapons in the Iran-Contra affair.

The problem with JCPOA, was Iran didnt sign a deal with the conservative faction of the U.S. government, it signed with the liberal side.

Any deal with the U.S. only good if a Republican president signs it. If a Democrat one signs it, then a Republican one day can rip it apart. But the vice versa isn’t true.

In short: Iran should never have signed JCPOA with a Democrat. Such a foreign policy win should have even given to a Republican president.

Iran recognized this in 1980 and forgot it in 2015.
 
Fatman17 said:
Iran’s Fars news agency has published a statement from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) announcing the start of “the most devastating offensive operation in the history of the Islamic Republic of Iran”.

The offensive will begin in “just moments”, the IRGC said, and will target the “occupied territories and American terrorist bases” in the region.
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But will this new offensive actually aim to degrade enemy military capabilities?

We need to see some US Navy ships sank, including their much prized aircraft carriers. And need to take out some Israeli strategic sites too including desalination plants, power plants, etc...
 
Immortals said:
Time for a deal is long gone.

What I was saying that you criticizing Iran for signing in 2015 is being a Monday morning quarterback with the benefit of hindsight.
People forget that Russia and China were pressuring Iran to find a diplomatic solution and had voted for UN Security Council sanctions (or did not veto).
In a perfect world Iran never gave up Arak and kept the plutonium route as insurance in case U.S. backstabbed Iran. However, Iran couldn’t foresee when they signed the deal that Trump would run for office one day and win against establishment.
This is what I mean about hindsight being 20/20. All the mistakes look obvious right now because you have the benefit to see how thousands of variables played out.
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Generally you are right however it needs to be pointed out: American foreign policy has become very personal and increasingly beholden to the biases of the sitting POTUS. President Obama administration spent a lot of political capital domestically and internationally annoyed Israel and Saudi Arabia to sign the JCPOA. But years of hard work went down the drain as soon as Trump took office.
America's vaunted checks and balances along with the vaunted long term planning is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. This country is extremely divided now, no small thanks to Obama, Biden and Trump with Trump being the biggest divider.
 
Given that Iran doesn’t have nukes or missiles with the range to target the land of Epstein, the next best thing for it is to keep the Strait of Hormuz shut for a long time to bring down the world economy. Instead of trying to use up all its missiles at once it should drag this out for weeks until the shortage of oil sends prices up to $200/barrel.

If oil prices at pumps go to $10/gallon and stock markets crash, it will make the enemy suffer more than blowing up military bases all at once.

Iran needs to keep its nerves and not give up. At this point giving up will result in more damage than to keep going.
 
Fatman17 said:
But helped willingly
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Same as Iran recruited many countries citizens in their militia, without that countries agreement?
Zainabiyoon, Fatimiyoon and so many.
Iran ain't that innocent either. They are terrible at making friends.

This is not the time for taking out their 1400 year old Anti Arab grudge.
This is the time on taking on the greater evil .

Iran us not so powerful that they can take on all Arab countries, USA and Israel together.
This Iranian megalomania has brought them to this situation.
 
The war is over for Iran. Soon, the IRGC will claim they hit back and avenged the death of the Supreme Leader. In the next few months, Israel would hunt the IRGC, and a new pro-Israel government would be here—and no nukes, no more missiles. Oil would be free, and US companies would be in Iran
 
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