Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Proud Thamizhan]

So far, they seem to have done a good job but no guarantee what the future will hold. I think U.S. & Israel will neutralize missile threat with precision weaponry. But war is ugly business and nobody stops it by running out of smart ammo. They will start using 'dumb' ammo. Like when you run out of pizza, you make PBJ or even leftover dinner for lunch.

each incoming drone and missile requires three to 5 of our own to go shoot down. Even that with the decoys, will dwindle stock rapidly. MInd you we've been supplying Ukraine so there is limited supply.
Meaning the pace and dynamics are (or at least can be) controlled by Iran. Iran has to just make sure they fire at a moderated rate.
If the US is not ready to jump in with tens of thousands of boots on the ground (which people of US have no appetite for) and it remains an unmanned aerial battle of drones and missiles, whether smart or dumb, we are increasingly playing into a position of huge vulnerability against China and/or Russia.

 

[Falcon29]

Hezbollah firing rockets and drones at IDF base in Golan

 

[Falcon29]

Hezbollah firing rockets and drones at IDF base in Golan

Actually these are iranian drones from the East

But the rockets at Golan are Hezbollah's doing

 

[Falcon29]

Iranian drone is trying to reach Tel Aviv

Almost there lol

Now it's shot down :/

 

[Navid09]

Iran needs to drop some weapons into Bahrain for the Bahraini to rebel against the Zionist loving corrupt rulers.

Send them the same weapons that were smuggled into Iran.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Tel-Aviv being pummeled :

 

[Falcon29]

Iranian drone is trying to reach Tel Aviv

Almost there lol

Now it's shot down :/

Actually it did reach and is still alive

 

[EugeneP]

each incoming drone and missile requires three to 5 of our own to go shoot down. Even that with the decoys, will dwindle stock rapidly. MInd you we've been supplying Ukraine so there is limited supply.
Meaning the pace and dynamics are (or at least can be) controlled by Iran. Iran has to just make sure they fire at a moderated rate.
If the US is not ready to jump in with tens of thousands of boots on the ground (which people of US have no appetite for) and it remains an unmanned aerial battle of drones and missiles, whether smart or dumb, we are increasingly playing into a position of huge vulnerability against China and/or Russia.

I think the war planners are better informed than you and me. One thing that has surprised me is why no B-2s? Normally, they are helpful to take out power, communication and fuel etc., infrastructure. Without infrastructure, missile activity can be degraded. That was the pattern during Gulf war of 1991 and also Iraq war of 2003.

 

[Falcon29]

Actually it did reach and is still alive

It hit something but Israeli coverage blackout won't tell us :
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Israeli Home Front Command:

A drone has breached the airspace from the east and is rapidly approaching Tel Aviv

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

But Bibi is true. Trump doesn't really listen to anyone. He doesn't care for Congress nor courts. He posts something on his "Truth Social" and asks his people to go do it. Congress gets to know it like everyone else. Someone asked him if he will send troops. He said he may or not. That is his answer. Everything depends on what he thinks that day. Tomorrow, he may send a bunch of B-2s. Next week a bunch of B-52s.

Its a trope!
He's a professional swindler!
Who knew the worst guy in the office would be a realtor though to be fair we haven't tried a used car salesman yet.
Zuon rubs its feet on his orange face!

 

[Shakehands]

 

[PakSword]

You know the one big advantage that Trump has over Chinese leader and other world leaders is Trump is absolutely totally shameless, he uses every possible dirty trick and means to achieve his goals as shown in his war on Iran now that any treaty, promise and trust reached with him means nothing, no hold barred for him. It's really difficult to work and live with this kind person.

Yep, the Chinese leaders are bound with morality and principles, and you can't expect the frequent visitor of the Epstein island can follow the same.

Name an American president except Abraham Lincoln who was/is not shameless and unethical. Some day JFK was the one and that's why he died.

 

[That_Guy]

I hate this war (and any war) as much as anyone. But running out of 'ammo' is not an issue. If they ever run out of smart (precision) ammo, that is expensive and time consuming to make, they have enough dumb ammo to saturate Iran one foot deep. Hoping to run out of ammo is a dumb strategy. Also, dumb ammo is easier to produce than hamburger.

Dumb ammo against a standing army, with no ground support is useless.

 

[GWXP]

US wants to rule the world and views China, Russia and Iran as a challenge to global hegemony.

Currently, Russia is bogged down in Ukraine, while China is incapable of invading Taiwan and US has to solve Iran's nuclear issue militarily BEFORE China becomes too powerful and Russia rebuilds its military.

Trump says this war with Iran will last for 5 weeks. US and Israel have 580 fighters in the region, but only 377 of them can conduct sorties against Iran with the rest being in maintenance cycles.

Lets assume 377 US and Israeli fighters conduct 0,4 sorties per day for 15 days (due to US bases being under attacks from Iran and due to Iran's air defenses) and after US suppresses Iran's air defenses these 377 fighters will conduct 0,7 sorties per day for 20 days.

So in total US and Israel can conduct 7.540 sorties against Iran in 35 days and with 1,5 targets destroyed per sortie US and Israel can destroy 11.310 targets in Iran with 22.620 JDAM munitions (10% of total JDAM stockpile).

Iran has around 4.000 ballistic missiles + 1.000 cruise missiles + 15.000 drones. With 50 ballistic missile launches per day and with 10 cruise missile launches per day and with 215 drone launches per day, Iran can destroy 3.100 targets over 35 days.

And still Iran will be left with 2.300 ballistic missiles, 650 cruise missiles and 7.500 drones.

So its US and Israel destroying 11.300 targets over 35 days and Iran destroying 3.100 targets over 35 days.

And if there is a full-scale war, US can bring in 2500 fighters of which 1600 fighters are combat ready with the rest being in maintenance cycles.

US has around 250.000 JDAMs and SDBs but US has to keep at least 100.000 of this as reserves for the European and Asian theatres. So US can use 150.000 PGMs against Iran destroying 75.000 buildings and structures in Iran with 50.000 sorties conducted by US military with 1600 fighters over 45 days.

In a full scale war US can destroy 75.000 targets in Iran before running out of stockpiles of PGMs, while Iran can destroy 6.500 targets across the region.

So in a limited 35 days war both sided will exchange strikes with US and Israel striking more than Iran.

In a full-scale war Iran will lay in ruins with 75.000 targets destroyed and Gulf oil infastructure destroyed and Strait of Hormuz closed with consequences for US economy being additional 5trln$ added to the Federal debt in 4 years and US economy being thrown behind by 5 years due to oil shock.

 

[EugeneP]

Its a trope!
He's a professional swindler!
Who knew the worst guy in the office would be a realtor though to be fair we haven't tried a used car salesman yet.
Zuon rubs its feet on his orange face!

Both can be true. Bibi can be a swindler, and we know Trump is charlatan. It is not difficult to make him a mark. Look at everyone giving him 'awards' to curry favor. A 12-year-old will be angry if you give him a fake prize to make him do something.