Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakAl]

 

[VCheng]

I said what I did back then... there's no point going over spilled milk.
Trigger has been pulled.

Sadly, I must agree with you here.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

6 Zio Settlers injured in latest Iranian missile strike

 

[Flotilla]

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Well we know where the aircraft carrier is.

Ambush It at Bab al Mandeb!!! Put naval mines and shoot them with missiles at the end!!!!

 

[Tsubasa]

Iran has no chance. They must take the war to the USA. Then it will be over immediately.

 

[VCheng]

So everything you said before was on topic, many posts from yourself. What was the point even.



@Musings @RescueRanger

Indeed, I have been on topic, and within the rules all along. And I shall remain so.

Once the US bombers ramp up, developments are likely to come at a more rapid pace. Hopefully, it will cut short the civilian toll and suffering, by enabling early negotitations.

 

[r3alist]

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Gryzor]

If Iran wanted Chinese help the time to do it was years ago

The Chinese have no reason to jump in as a savior for Iran at this stage, there is no ethnic or cultural or strategic aim that would justify right now

Ever since world war 2 I don't know why people don't understand this. Look at all the wars since 9/11 I am sure each stage people said why don't the Russians jump in


Then recently with Syria everyone said why did the Russians leave?

The point is you can only do so much without compromising your own integrity and strength


Let us also say this, with nation states even when you help someone you are mindful to the extent that one day they can become more powerful and influential than you might be comfortable with

That is not anti Iranian that is just the calculus of real politik, and selfish nation state's.

I am not saying that Iran itself didn't fail in securing strategic partnerships before the era of war emerged. Adressing Iran's own real many shortcomings vis à vis its prime possible allies was not the point of post.

What I meant was that the possible breakup of Iran ar this crucial juncture? and/or its takeover by a government friendly exclusively or very preferentially to to the Western sphere of influence bent on cancelling its crucially benefitial energy relationships with Beijing, not to mention its geography that has direct impact of the BRI project , would quell a large part of China's most important geopolitical ambitions. Like it or not, Iran as it exists now is a unique asset to longer term Chinese power projection, goods transportation and again, energy. Any drastic change in its state structure will mostly benefit its American competitor rather than its own.

What I mean is that there are plenty of non-kinetic ways in which China can help Iran today, under the guise of "humanitarian aid" which the US does plenty of when projecting forces. I am obviously not expecting direct ,frontal military intervention with Chinese J-11 squadrons litteraly flying in the face of IAF of USN jets, this is not Call of Duty and I understand China has indeed zero incentive or benefit in starting a hot war over Iran , this is not that kind of relationship and such action would be nonsensical. They can send in a solid flotilla including air defense ships to the shores of the Persian Gulf or in the immediate vicinity of the Indian Ocean, all of that is feasible without entering in direct contact with US/Israeli operation but could tacitly diminish their margin for maneuver operationnally while providing crucial intel to any remaining Iranian air-defense asset or missile forces moving around with EW data, create jamming bubbles in crucial corridors and other ECM to passively disrupt and degrade PGM efficiency etc... What I find deplorable is that total visible lack of any indication of any of these passive , low-cost and low-risk initiatives that do not even imply physical entanglement with US/Israeli forces over Iran as it is only an air campagin so far. It indicates imho a shocking level of strategic shortsightedness on the part of the PRC that I certainly did not expect at the level.

 

[abgoosht]

Indeed, I have been on topic, and within the rules all along. And I shall remain so.

Once the US bombers ramp up, developments are likely to come at a more rapid pace. Hopefully, it will cut short the civilian toll and suffering, by enabling early negotitations.

You clearly don't know how Iranians operate. This will have the opposite effect.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[r3alist]

 

[Jugantor]

It has happened many times in the past as well, and I have learnt my lesson, just like Iran, I suppose. One must stay within one's limits.

On topic, the fire in Tehran and the destruction ot desalination plants means greater and greater fallout for the civilian populations, and that is regrettable.

Ah! So you are advising Muslims to choose the path of slavery? And subservience?

Then you know nothing about our history and our faith!!

When one our nation is ransacked - another rises up to destroy the enemy.

I suggest you read the history of the crusades and the destruction wrought by the Mongols.

Muslims go through periods of defeat but each one leads to greater victories.

And more importantly the rise in our numbers.

Our faith is not about materialism, it’s about our numbers.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Iran should start targetting the IDF build up near Lebabon. They are static targets and can't move away quickly. The disruption will give Hezbollah some leeway and an opportunity to hit back.

 

[FUB]