Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags101]

‘Death, fire and fury’: Trump threatens Iran with unprecedented force if it blocks oil flow through Strait of Hormuz

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www.timesofisrael.com

So he just threatened to destroy much of Iran he wasn’t threatening the military but civilian infrastructure the guy is a big fat orange

 

[925boy]

Its also more alarming that Iran,is beating US AND israel together,not one of them alone. US MIGHT really be a paper monitor - lots of loud barks but no effectiveness against enemies with solid military capabilities. I have no idea what purpose the Israeli airforce attacks actually serve- its almost the predictor that israel will lose a war.

 

[Kharral]

Hi,

I understand what you are saying---.

Thank You

 

[Shags101]

Seems like a Quiet night for Iranian missile launches towards Israel.

feels like we are overdue

Same I feel like Hezbollah has been firing more rockets lately I think Iran is letting the Israelis expend a few more of their interceptors I’m feeling we are about to see a lot more incoming Iranian missiles next few days

 

[Immortals]

 

[Fatman17]

Oil tumbled after US President Donald Trump said the Iran war will end soon, as he faces mounting pressure over the conflict that’s upended global energy markets and sparked concerns about an inflation crisis. More here: https://bloom.bg/4cxLWd4

 

[Cipher212]

If the US is calling it off now then Iran needs to scramble for the best air defence and radars that Russians and Chinese can spare

Variants of that sentence are playing on repeat mode in mind day and night ever since I saw how powerless the country was when the very first plumes of smokes appeared over Tehran at Zero Hour. I will never forget the sorrow and shock I had for my fellow Iranians in the country. Never. I saw it live, upon waking up to that nightmare and having a dozen missed called and even more message from panicked friends...

Let us hope things can evolve post war in a way that prevents a least a part of the gross, terrifying mistakes when it came to procurement guidelines and doctrines, mismanagement and misallocation of funds, and ultimately mass production can be attained, rerouted and properly undertaken.

TLDR , assuming this mayhem stops in a couple days(far from certain considering the US can sit this out and "leave it to Bibi" like it's written verbatim in the Pentagon's 2012 policy paper) which it seems to be :

-The navy can wait for years, even though their loss is painful to watch, those ships bar maybe the Dena and the Soleimani class, where already useless for modern warfare, let's face it, and were diverting way too much ressources and funds with regards to their actual value in theater.
-Ground forces seems to have absorbed the shock for the most part as well, and not the prime targets AFAIK.
-Missiles and drone infrastructure have most of their R&D + production chains under thick rock and/or reactive concrete so i'm not (too) worried, timelines could be in the 2-3 year range, if the June war can be an indicator from which we infer that way more intense war.

But Iran must initiate a major industrial effort both through joint cooperation deals particularly with China from which most of its best system take their roots, *and* go after major extensions to their existing manufacturing capabilities and lines for their own air defense tech. The 100% self-reliance goal cannot be realistically attained for a few years of recovery to come, and be a priority, quite unfortunately. Iran must go after ToT to exponentially incrase its own homegrown capabilities. It's a quarter mile until they're here, really...

If there is a reluctance from the side of China to give assistance or sell weapons, that is another matter.

HOWEVER. If the lack of acquisitions was due to some sort of misplaced pride by Iranian planners or just thinking that their own system were going to be enough then this is criminal. At the very least Iran needs a solid air defence and at least some semblance of an airforce that can fly around and shoot down the slower moving drones that casually perch on top of missile launchers.


I am not completely familiar on Irans purchasing power as a country but I'm sure oil goes a long way in payments.

 

[Jugantor]

The defence budget is 1 trillion $.

Yeah! But..

1. 10% goes to bribing politicians and pork spending
2. 5% commissions to retired generals for “consultancy
3. 15% on pie in the sky R&D
4. 20% on pensions and veterans welfare
5. 20% on military bases
3. Most of the rest is gobbled up by defence contractors

 

[Shags101]

The defence budget is 1 trillion $.

100 billion in month cost of rebuilding bases cost of replenishing depleted weapons stocks lets say this goes into a ground invasion yeah 4 billion 10 billion 100 billion or 200 billion in a few month Americans are not going to be happy

 

[Gripen9]

 

[Fatman17]

100 billion in month cost of rebuilding bases cost of replenishing depleted weapons stocks lets say this goes into a ground invasion yeah 4 billion 10 billion 100 billion or 200 billion in a few month Americans are not going to be happy

Peanuts

 

[PakSword]

Nothing gives more pain to Zionists than the economic losses. Not even killing their civilians. For the economic gains, they can hit their own civilians in a false flag operation.

 

[Shags101]

Peanuts

If you say so

 

[HAIDER]

wtf whole GCC belt is US-Israel colony and Israel first line of defence.

 

[Watandar]

Any authentic source for that?

Source is trust me bro