Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FuturePAF]

I hope sanctions are lifted on Iran and we can finish the Iran/Pakistan pipeline and turn the taps on. Build a Pak/Iran refinery in Gwadar and make Gwadar a hub to load Iranian oil outside of Hormuz. Then build a gasoline /distillate pipeline northbound for China.

If Pakistan is hosting the negotiations between the US and Iran, it must insist on making this a part of the terms of any agreement. For the current Pakistani government, it would be the economic move that could give them back a lot of public support, and it would literally just be a matter of getting Iran and Trump’s approval.

Yes, for Pakistan’s interest, but also in lieu of (or to break the deadlock on) reparations the Iranians are demanding, being allowed to export more oil and or gas via pipeline(s) can help Iran generate more revenue without seeking any money (which could be held up by other countries). Pakistan for its part could use the gas or oil to supply power plants at prices that would make textile manufacturing competitive with neighboring countries, help modernize agricultural processes, and have economically competitively priced fuel for a modern petrochemical industry, to invite pharmaceutical manufacturers back to Pakistan in a big way.

Iran with its water crisis could get its food from Pakistan, especially if Pakistan can boost agricultural productivity, and save that water for human consumption and industrial processes. If sanctions are not fully lifted, trading food for oil/gas can be a good form of barter trade as well.

Pakistan, perhaps bring back the full IPI pipeline, bring India into the arrangement could also help Pakistan build some level of leverage vis a vi India, especially if long term contracts with Iran can be done at a little bit under market prices. It could be the basis for “confidence building measures” that could be used to reinforce the Indus water treaty (especially seeing as water in Pakistan would be going towards producing crops to barter oil/gas from the Iranians).

Pakistan, with this increased economic activity could also leverage this to extract a better understanding with the Afghans, and also try to get the Trans-Afghan railway agreed upon and even financed.

Gwadar would also finally get a solid economic foundation, and jointly Iran and Pakistan could use this economic activity to stabilize both Baluchistan provinces and end at least the economic reasons given there for rebellion.

Iran for its regime survival needs the middle 50-60% of the population that just want a better life to see their economic prospects improving, after all this hardship.

 

[Ibbi32]

The carriers caught fire right after Iran claimed they targeted them. Strange coincidence

Iran never claimed to target the ford. They only ever targeted uss lincoln csg

 

[Immortals]

 

[Ibbi32]

Surprised to see Jaecoo J7 there

Israel is the biggest western buyer of chinese EVs iirc.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Shags101]

Definitely looks like it hit an “open areas”

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

since when Iran started or needed pissraeli permission to do anything

 

[Immortals]

 

[Gripen9]

If Pakistan is hosting the negotiations between the US and Iran, it must insist on making this a part of the terms of any agreement. For the current Pakistani government, it would be the economic move that could give them back a lot of public support, and it would literally just be a matter of getting Iran and Trump’s approval.

Yes, for Pakistan’s interest, but also in lieu of (or to break the deadlock on) reparations the Iranians are demanding, being allowed to export more oil and or gas via pipeline(s) can help Iran generate more revenue without seeking any money (which could be held up by other countries). Pakistan for its part could use the gas or oil to supply power plants at prices that would make textile manufacturing competitive with neighboring countries, help modernize agricultural processes, and have economically competitively priced fuel for a modern petrochemical industry, to invite pharmaceutical manufacturers back to Pakistan in a big way.

Iran with its water crisis could get its food from Pakistan, especially if Pakistan can boost agricultural productivity, and save that water for human consumption and industrial processes. If sanctions are not fully lifted, trading food for oil/gas can be a good form of barter trade as well.

Pakistan, perhaps bring back the full IPI pipeline, bring India into the arrangement could also help Pakistan build some level of leverage vis a vi India, especially if long term contracts with Iran can be done at a little bit under market prices. It could be the basis for “confidence building measures” that could be used to reinforce the Indus water treaty (especially seeing as water in Pakistan would be going towards producing crops to barter oil/gas from the Iranians).

Pakistan, with this increased economic activity could also leverage this to extract a better understanding with the Afghans, and also try to get the Trans-Afghan railway agreed upon and even financed.

Gwadar would also finally get a solid economic foundation, and jointly Iran and Pakistan could use this economic activity to stabilize both Baluchistan provinces and end at least the economic reasons given there for rebellion.

Iran for its regime survival needs the middle 50-60% of the population that just want a better life to see their economic prospects improving, after all this hardship.

It would also give Pakistan independence from GCC and hopefully lead to independent foreign policy.

 

[FuturePAF]

Iran’s war with the US may end and may continue with Israel. Iran needs a way to establish deterrence with Israel, and that perhaps could only be achieved in Southern Lebanon. Considering Israel’s hubris to try to make itself regional hegemony and name Turkey as its next primary regional adversary if they can take down Iran, it might mean Turkey could lean on the Syrians to allow Iran to resupply the Lebanese via Iraq for ground combat. Not rockets, but such a considerable ground conflict that Israel would use for peace as happened in the 2006 war. Iran, if it’s able, could keep up the rocket fire from its own territory.

The Syrians themselves also need to achieve a way to deter the Israelis from taking pore of their territory.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Kyussis]

Im sure they say most were MQ-9s.

 

[Falcon29]

 

[FUB]

Iran needs to destroy their hospitals. The Baal worshipers are hitting Iranian hospitals

 

[FuturePAF]

It would also give Pakistan independence from GCC and hopefully lead to independent foreign policy.

Not independence but options; economic options more than anything. But yes, Pakistan wouldn’t be so beholden to the GCC, for loans, remittances, jobs, political support.

Pakistan could build up industries and not be dependent on GCC funding; be accused of bringing the “begging bowl” every year. It could get back on track of good economic management.

Pakistan would have the means to pay off its loans and have the incentive to protect the arrangement if not Iran itself from being disrupted. It would also give Iran incentive to keep it going as well.

For Iran, winning back the 50% of the population on the fence, after their Tiananmen square 1989 moment of biggest mass protest followed by near regime takedown, it existential.

For Pakistan and Iran cooperation could also help stabilize Baluchistan, the province easiest to have foreign forces move on from the sea.

An oil terminal at Gwadar would also allow a secure non-Iranian port for Chinese ships to fill up.