Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

rishi7887 said:
4. There is indeed limited air superiority.
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Am going to get this straight...

Air Dominance: The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority: The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace(s), repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy: He flies, he dies.

The clear indicator here is air force vs air force.

There are two ways you can lose an air attacker, be it a fighter or a bomber: against the opposing air force, or against ground based defense.

We can eliminate the Iranian air force as cause of our air losses. The best way to defeat enemy air force is to destroy them while they are on the ground.

Ground based air defense is the last line of defense. Ground based air defense is when the enemy is literally over you. Ground based air defense is REACTIVE while an air force is PROACTIVE/PREEMPTIVE. Ground based air defense CANNOT carry the fight to the enemy but an air force can. Do you understand?

Like it or not, the US owns Iranian airspace. Any Iranian airplane flies, he dies. Simple as that.
 
Persistent rumors of a UAE-Pakistan rift, as Pakistan is told to repay a $3.5 billion debt. The two countries are said to now be arguing over Iran. Islamabad apparently taking a softer stance, and the UAE looking for a forceful military response to Tehran's attacks on it.
Source: Umar Farooq Data reporter at Bloomberg
 
hasssanali8998 said:
Persistent rumors of a UAE-Pakistan rift, as Pakistan is told to repay a $3.5 billion debt. The two countries are said to now be arguing over Iran. Islamabad apparently taking a softer stance, and the UAE looking for a forceful military response to Tehran's attacks on it.
Source: Umar Farooq Data reporter at Bloomberg
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Imagine the hubris of a "country" of 1,5 million (not counting expatriates) comprised of fat lazy lizardeaters to dictate terms to a proud nation of 250 million people in Pakistan.
 
gambit said:
Am going to get this straight...

Air Dominance: The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority: The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace(s), repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy: He flies, he dies.

The clear indicator here is air force vs air force.

There are two ways you can lose an air attacker, be it a fighter or a bomber: against the opposing air force, or against ground based defense.

We can eliminate the Iranian air force as cause of our air losses. The best way to defeat enemy air force is to destroy them while they are on the ground.

Ground based air defense is the last line of defense. Ground based air defense is when the enemy is literally over you. Ground based air defense is REACTIVE while an air force is PROACTIVE/PREEMPTIVE. Ground based air defense CANNOT carry the fight to the enemy but an air force can. Do you understand?

Like it or not, the US owns Iranian airspace. Any Iranian airplane flies, he dies. Simple as that.
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I think what Iran is presenting is a classic case of asymmetric warfare. To your point...this is about air force on air force and ground based air defence. This is the traditional doctrine of western forces adopted by and large by many others and so we classify them as conventional capability.

What Iran is demonstrating that yes we cant fight you in that domain and you can definitely claim supremacy but we are not fighting that fight. Instead, all these hits across the air bases and airports and many radars are simply the erosion of the western combat capability. They have effectively made sure that those runways are not available to attack and that there are no places there to refuel from. This is not immediately done in one strike but it is definitely progressive.

We see the impact by the fact that the US and Israel have mostly been able to target mostly western Iran. This is because of the range. As these forces go further away to refuel it eats in to their effective range.

So now, not only is it harder to track Iranian missiles, there is a lack of interception capability, and US and Israel assets have to go further to refuel and re-arm to come back and strike Iran and this capabilities depletes further. We do not see the same sortie rate as at the very fist few days of the war.

Its just obervation and facts on the ground here.
 
lamdacore said:
I think what Iran is presenting is a classic case of asymmetric warfare. To your point...this is about air force on air force and ground based air defence. This is the traditional doctrine of western forces adopted by and large by many others and so we classify them as conventional capability.

What Iran is demonstrating that yes we cant fight you in that domain and you can definitely claim supremacy but we are not fighting that fight. Instead, all these hits across the air bases and airports and many radars are simply the erosion of the western combat capability. They have effectively made sure that those runways are not available to attack and that there are no places there to refuel from. This is not immediately done in one strike but it is definitely progressive.

We see the impact by the fact that the US and Israel have mostly been able to target mostly western Iran. This is because of the range. As these forces go further away to refuel it eats in to their effective range.

So now, not only is it harder to track Iranian missiles, there is a lack of interception capability, and US and Israel assets have to go further to refuel and re-arm to come back and strike Iran and this capabilities depletes further. We do not see the same sortie rate as at the very fist few days of the war.

Its just obervation and facts on the ground here.
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Pretty typical style of 你打你的,我打我的-Mao ze dong.
 
LMFAO!!!! Just to lighten up the mood.....

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UAE are done. Pak should kick them to the curbside, never to be dealt with again.
 
Mobius said:
LMFAO!!!! Just to lighten up the mood.....

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UAE are done. Pak should kick them to the curbside, never to be dealt with again.
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Give them their money back. Fitted on top of a Ghauri 🤑
 
gambit said:
Am going to get this straight...

Air Dominance: The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority: The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace(s), repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy: He flies, he dies.

The clear indicator here is air force vs air force.

There are two ways you can lose an air attacker, be it a fighter or a bomber: against the opposing air force, or against ground based defense.

We can eliminate the Iranian air force as cause of our air losses. The best way to defeat enemy air force is to destroy them while they are on the ground.

Ground based air defense is the last line of defense. Ground based air defense is when the enemy is literally over you. Ground based air defense is REACTIVE while an air force is PROACTIVE/PREEMPTIVE. Ground based air defense CANNOT carry the fight to the enemy but an air force can. Do you understand?

Like it or not, the US owns Iranian airspace. Any Iranian airplane flies, he dies. Simple as that.
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...sounds so emphatic.

But loosing at least 4 confirmed aircrafts in 24 hours (1 Reaper, 2 A10 and 1F15) makes this supremacy at least controverted.

And most worrying, the more confidence the more looses.

Enjoy your supremacy!!!.
 
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gambit said:
Am going to get this straight...

Air Dominance: The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority: The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace(s), repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy: He flies, he dies.

The clear indicator here is air force vs air force.

There are two ways you can lose an air attacker, be it a fighter or a bomber: against the opposing air force, or against ground based defense.

We can eliminate the Iranian air force as cause of our air losses. The best way to defeat enemy air force is to destroy them while they are on the ground.

Ground based air defense is the last line of defense. Ground based air defense is when the enemy is literally over you. Ground based air defense is REACTIVE while an air force is PROACTIVE/PREEMPTIVE. Ground based air defense CANNOT carry the fight to the enemy but an air force can. Do you understand?

Like it or not, the US owns Iranian airspace. Any Iranian airplane flies, he dies. Simple as that.
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Did they even have an air-force to begin with? So not sure what the accomplishment is in destroying non existent air-force and navy of Iran.
 
Flotilla said:
...sounds so emphatic.

But loosing at least 4 confirmed aircrafts in 24 hours (1 Reaper, 2 A10 and 1F15) makes this supremacy at least controverted.

And most worrying, the more confidence the more looses.

Enjoy your supremacy!!!.
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US has never gone against a peer adversary. Iran never had much of Air Force so they're bragging now, but all they can do is kill kids (when they can't rape them) or destroy civilian infrastructure because they want to vent their frustration of not bringing a great nation to heel.
 
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