Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Lulldapull
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Laakhon Pakistanis have lost their jobs already. We all know somebody facing total ruin after a lifetime of working and contributing to the economy of the GCC.
flyingorca
SpeedLimited
Immortals
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Doesn’t look like Jack Murphy is as reliable as we thought:
Meanwhile @Persian Gulf had 2 mini heart attacks and one minor stroke the last 3 hours but is in stable condition.
Meanwhile @Persian Gulf had 2 mini heart attacks and one minor stroke the last 3 hours but is in stable condition.
Raider 21
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Another example of where they are only on equal footing in the mosque during prayer
ShapurII
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I don't want to spread defeatism as one of the users here said.
But realistically, the way this war is progressing, this is moving towards the Dahiya Strategy now, i.e. they are going to hit Iran's critical civilian infrastructure to inflict pain on Iranians as collective punishment and demoralize us.
Now, assuming this war continues for more than 6 months, by then, Iran will already have run out of our old stockpile of missiles and drones.
How many missiles can we produce per month? Including MRBMs. Nobody knows the exact figure but I believe it is somewhere between 100-300 in the most optimistic scenario.
We are firing 20-30 missiles per day now. In that situation, we will be forced to fire 5-10 missiles per day. I hope I'm wrong though, because missiles are our only real deterrence in this war.
We can still keep the Strait of Hormuz closed by disrupting navigation there, but it won't be like now that we are literally controlling traffic there.
Bab el-Mandeb depends on the Houthis of Yemen. Nobody knows how much we can count on them 6 months later. They might get crushed by then, or show less willingness to go all in for us.
Destroying regional energy infrastructure is our last resort and it happens only once. Once it happens, it can no longer be used as a card.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
it's too early to celebrate anything.
sunrise is in 30 mins so they either have him by now or not.
my condition will not be stable until I know we somehow have the pilot
BigMela2onin
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The bargaining chip isn't what we already hit but what we can hit. Their ability to defend infrastructure decreases with every interceptor used. The bargaining chip is "we won't destroy this" not "look at how much we destroyed."
No it's selling for economic reasons, I never said otherwise. The fact is, for economic reasons they haven't intercepted any shipments yet. If they start to, Iran will stop selling and prices will rise even higher.
Vietnam didn't raise gas prices to $4 and LBJ didn't say he was going to cut all federal funding for healthcare and daycare to pay for it. They also went to the trouble of faking Tonkin while Trump just shrugged and said "bibi made me do it." And even so, Vietnam won that war regardless of how long it took them to do it.
Trump said help us, Europe said no, regardless of what reasons they have. Macron admitted Hormuz can only be opened with Iranian cooperation, and he's right. The ukroids are doing us a favor by hitting Russian oil, it increases Iran's leverage against Europe.
Yet it means they have to take precautions, use expensive and limited stand off weapons which are not as quickly or easily replaced. This affects operational planning, suddenly the ground invasion is made less safe and more costly to cover by air and it may force them to scale back their goals.
Criticism can occur before and after the conflict. Spreading fears that we're going to lose land and there's no hope to defeat an invasion because of one maybe successful maybe not operation is defeatism.
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mangekyo
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They have the advantage. They can hit us from above way faster than we can mobilize troops or AD units. The cost is way too high. We need to preserve what we have for the possible ground invasion.
Shags101
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To be fair if he was the only one to go doom and gloom I’m like didn’t they just take out several aircraft to varying degree the day before and whatever else they blew up in multiple countries……Iran is definitely strong and courageous agree or disagree with politics of Iran don’t disparage the men and women of Iran.
Kyussis
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I don't expect the air force to do ANYTHING at this stage in the war except to keep their heads down and survive. Iran has been planning for this war for decades. Our planners know the strength and weakness of their own forces and that of the enemy intimately. Iran has proven that their planning is viable by being in the fight five weeks after they were "pearl Harboured" by the United States of America and Israel. I am not in a position to dictate what our armed forces should be doing and neither is anyone else here. We are mere observers. All i can do is keep calm, trust the plan and hope for the best.
Immortals
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@Persian Gulf
vahid is an Iranian opposition source I believe. Apparently people filmed the bodies of US Spec Ops.
Looks to me more likely to be plain clothes Basij or IRGC. But it’s not unthinkable that tier one operator would deploy in plain civilian clothes to blend in as they search. They have been seen in civilian clothes before.
