Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

200KM in Zargos mountains is not deep inside Iran. By such logic if Canada had a fighter jet get shot down 500KM inside Montana it would be “deep inside” the US.

The pilot had a satellite communication device and was in active communication with his rescue team. He had a distress beacon. He hid in a crevice in the mountains. The CIA activated its assets. Military satellites were overhead. Dozens of aircraft using thermal imaging looking for him. And bombing any Iranian convoy that got within 3 KM.

The hell you expect to happen? You act like the pilot fell in Tehran and hid inside a dumpster before escaping inside of an ice cream truck.

Iran had a 3-4 hour window after the crash to find a needle in a haystack before U.S. chain of command could mobilize and put a plan together. Intial pics of the crash was reported at 9:30 AM local time. 6 hours later they rescued the first pilot.

That’s impossible for Iran to react and find a person in that terrain before the Americans.

Not to mention Iran had to do this without ghetto birds A.K.A helicopters with thermals or other aircraft for obvious reasons.

 

[Optical216]

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It appears regional commanders did not dispatch any professional units. This all looks like organized local militias and tribal groups.

Why did they not


I'm guessing irgc will amassa ground force for the invasion? Or do they not even have the capability to do even that

 

[PakSword]

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It appears regional commanders did not dispatch any professional units. This all looks like organized local militias and tribal groups.

Where were the suicide drones when they were needed the most?

 

[Immortals]

 

[SolarWarden]

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It appears regional commanders did not dispatch any professional units. This all looks like organized local militias and tribal groups.

Lol. Is one of the guys holding underwear?

 

[Corax]

If only Chuck Norris was alive, he'd be proud.

 

[Immortals]

Where were the suicide drones when they were needed the most?

A suicide drone needs coordinates. How would Iran know where the base of operations was set up in the middle of night?!

And in the case of Regular MALE drones they need ground link communication station since Iran doesn’t have data link to satellites , which means ground station waves can get disrupted in mountainous terrain. Not to mention U.S. had E3 and other EW planes jamming that region probably to prevent such a thing.

 

[Immortals]

Lol. Is one of the guys holding underwear?

I told you it was a laundry fire.

 

[Kyussis]

2 MH-6s were apparently destroyed as well

Iran claimed that it destroyed 1 x C-130 and 2 x Helicopters while the U.S account stated that they destroyed 2 x C-130s only. Seems like Iran's account of the event is more accurate.

 

[PakSword]

Hollywood might have started working on several movies already.

 

[Jugantor]

Can you translate pls.

Btw, you seem very depressed.

There’s good news and bad news for USA.

Good news is that they were able to setup FOB deep inside Iran.

Bad news is that the terrain is unforgiving hence they lost so many aircrafts.

I don’t think this tactic is scalable given the expense and risks.

Also, Iranian commanders weren’t sure if the pilots were alive hence hesitated in committing resources.

This won’t be the case when US goes after a fixed target like nuclear materials or kharg island.

 

[ResurgentIran2]

What mud???????

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I misspoke earlier. I dont think the official story was stuck in mud, but stuck in sand. My bad.

But not buying it. Something is not adding up here.

 

[Master Chief]

Weird how no real details of the Op have been released but somehow we know for certainty that the C-130s had "wheels stuck in mud", so that little snippet was released to be amplified by various people but no other real details. Funny heh?

This was not a defeat for Iran. If US had air superiority over say all of Baluchistan Pak Army would struggle to find a downed airmen before US could knowing their surveillence capabilities and the pilots tracking/emitting kit. No shame here.

Did US do a great job getting him out despite the massive man hunt? Yes. Both things can be true at the same time.

For me the big takeaway lesson know if the massive cost to rescue one airman. US will now have to rethink the bombing strategy as this could well happen again, and they simply cannot afford to do missions like this on a regular basis.

My guess is 2 C-130s got caught on the ground by heavy fire and were destroyed or even (ala Eagle Claw) a big ground accident.

For sure there will be US casualties we may not know about, but if 2 SF C-130s and 1 SF Blackhawk and 1 SF Littlebird were lost, that is a hell of a heavy price.

Yes, the biggest problem for Iran to take away is not so much the relinquished airman but the inability to exact decisive tolls on low flying aircraft that were already at risk due to the nature of the op.

Iran can just about get away without a functional air force but it absolutely cannot last without an ability to repeatedly hit low flying aircraft with lethal effect. This bullet spraying from militiamen will not suffice - even Talibs can manage that.

Iran was planning an asymmetric war. To not include asymmetric air defence (e.g. lots of MANPADs) as part of that strategy is gross negligence.

 

[Immortals]

Iran could build such devices (and bigger) on its islands and attack corridors to confront slow moving objects and drones and maybe even CMs and helicopters.

 

[Immortals]