Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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D. John Trump
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What about Gulfies?
How fast they can rebuild their damaged oil & gas terminals?
Ali_Baba
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The problem for Iran is it cannot retaliate and take out targets at this level in Israel. Ballistic missiles cannot achieve what saturation attacks of very precise cruise missiles can. At best Iran can respond with 2-3 missiles with them being near misses in response to this.
This is unfortunate for Iran, as Iran is taking some very serious hits right now, but Israel is not. The actual economic impact that Iran has imposed on Israel is actually quite low, very little has been actually destroyed and put out of commission ( outside of a drone factory ).
MH.Yang
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The penetration rate of drones in China is very high, and the second-hand trading platform is very developed. Many Chinese people have discovered that their drones sold on second-hand platforms crashed in the Middle East or Eastern Europe a week later. So searching for drone serial numbers is meaningless, drone trade is too common and legal in China.
The popularity of Chinese people playing drones in parks is similar to the popularity of other countries playing kites in parks.
This is a Weibo user who discovered that a second-hand drone he sold on a Chinese second-hand trading platform crashed in the Golan Heights 28 days ago. Such incidents happen frequently, and China govt never interferes or manages them. It is a legal act.
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Aziqbal
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Why do we have no commercial satellites images from Nevatim or Ben Gurion airports after Iranian attacks ?
New USA laws stop western nations
Not China and Russia
Do we know the level of damage Iran is doing to these sites ? It’s probably ALOT
Planet labs and maxar are banned
New USA laws stop western nations
Not China and Russia
Do we know the level of damage Iran is doing to these sites ? It’s probably ALOT
Planet labs and maxar are banned
Ali_Baba
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The drones being shot down are the "big" strategic drones that can only be sold state to state ...
History shows that fighting endlessly is not always the best strategy. Even in Islamic history, our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) accepted the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, a ceasefire with the Quraysh, even though many companions initially saw it as unfavorable and it was expected the other side might not fully honor it. In hindsight, that decision provided breathing space, strengthened the Muslim position, and ultimately led to a more decisive outcome later.
In modern conflicts too, pauses and ceasefires are often used to regroup, stabilize internally, and reassess strategy. Right now, limited or irregular & scattered attacks may create disruption in israel, but they do not necessarily shift the strategic balance or force meaningful negotiations. Reality is that wars are not won through emotion or passion alone. They are won through planning, timing, economic strength, and long term sustainability. Sometimes stepping back is not weakness, but strategy.
In modern conflicts too, pauses and ceasefires are often used to regroup, stabilize internally, and reassess strategy. Right now, limited or irregular & scattered attacks may create disruption in israel, but they do not necessarily shift the strategic balance or force meaningful negotiations. Reality is that wars are not won through emotion or passion alone. They are won through planning, timing, economic strength, and long term sustainability. Sometimes stepping back is not weakness, but strategy.
ShapurII
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Yeah, role playing on a military forum in a thread about an ongoing deadly war, like a teenaged girl and boy.
That's exactly what we need now. :/
@Persian Gulf
KingQamaR
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It never ceases to amaze me brother in how bewildered and amazed the current administration in America seems to be over their current Iran disastrous 5 week war unlikely to end soon, a 12 year old could have predicted the outcomes of attacking Iran. It was common knowledge if you attack Iran they will deploy its geographically as a weapon to pick and choose targets in GCC and close the Straits to its enemies. Geography is a destiny Pakistanis need to learn from Iranians . Yet , here we are
MH.Yang
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Ali_Baba
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Meengla
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In case no one posted. Reuters has a major story about a Pakistan based plan and Pakistan's Asma Shirazi You Tube channel also reporting Pakistan's Field Martial General Asim Munir personally involved.
The Pakistani-brokered plan emerged from intense overnight contacts and proposes an immediate ceasefire, followed by negotiations on a broader peace settlement to be concluded within 15 to 20 days, a source aware of the proposals said on Monday.
Pakistan's army chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir, was in contact "all night long" with U.S. Vice President JD Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, the source said.
Iran's foreign ministry said on Monday Tehran had formulated positions and demands based on its interests and communicated them through intermediaries, in response to ceasefire proposals.
Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said details of the response would be announced in due time, but added negotiations were "incompatible with ultimatums and threats to commit war crimes."
Iran's demands "should not be interpreted as a sign of compromise, but rather as a reflection of its confidence in defending its positions," Baghaei told a press conference. He said earlier U.S. demands, such as a 15-point plan, were rejected for being excessive.
Earlier on Monday, a senior Iranian official told Reuters that Iran will not reopen the Strait as part of a temporary ceasefire, nor would it accept deadlines or pressure to reach a deal. Washington was not ready for a permanent ceasefire, the official said.
"This is one of many ideas, and (Trump) has not signed off on it. Operation Epic Fury continues," they said, referring to the U.S. name for the operation against Iran.
U.S. stock index futures inched higher on Monday while oil prices fell by over $2 a barrel at one point as investors assessed the prospect of a ceasefire.
The Pakistani-brokered plan emerged from intense overnight contacts and proposes an immediate ceasefire, followed by negotiations on a broader peace settlement to be concluded within 15 to 20 days, a source aware of the proposals said on Monday.
Pakistan's army chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir, was in contact "all night long" with U.S. Vice President JD Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, the source said.
Iran's foreign ministry said on Monday Tehran had formulated positions and demands based on its interests and communicated them through intermediaries, in response to ceasefire proposals.
Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said details of the response would be announced in due time, but added negotiations were "incompatible with ultimatums and threats to commit war crimes."
Iran's demands "should not be interpreted as a sign of compromise, but rather as a reflection of its confidence in defending its positions," Baghaei told a press conference. He said earlier U.S. demands, such as a 15-point plan, were rejected for being excessive.
Earlier on Monday, a senior Iranian official told Reuters that Iran will not reopen the Strait as part of a temporary ceasefire, nor would it accept deadlines or pressure to reach a deal. Washington was not ready for a permanent ceasefire, the official said.
CEASEFIRE PROPOSAL 'ONE OF MANY IDEAS'
Trump will speak about the ceasefire proposal at a press conference at 1 p.m. ET (1800 GMT), a White House official told Reuters."This is one of many ideas, and (Trump) has not signed off on it. Operation Epic Fury continues," they said, referring to the U.S. name for the operation against Iran.
U.S. stock index futures inched higher on Monday while oil prices fell by over $2 a barrel at one point as investors assessed the prospect of a ceasefire.
Starlord
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With American/European help, they can rebuild it much faster than Iran for sure, if Iran remain sanction it will be even more difficult.
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