Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

BigMela2onin said:
You are living in an alternate reality where the jews don't break every ceasefire they make and the US doesn't back out of every deal they make. If a deal is made, the US will back out of all its obligations and bring more troops in to attack again. The jews will break the ceasefire hundreds of times during that time like they did in every other war. There is no point debating this with you, neither the US or the jews have any diplomatic credibility.
The fact that this is a 45 day temporary ceasefire with the "chance" of a permanent one gives away their intentions.
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in that case, All the best .
 
Meengla said:
In case no one posted. Reuters has a major story about a Pakistan based plan and Pakistan's Asma Shirazi You Tube channel also reporting Pakistan's Field Martial General Asim Munir personally involved.


The Pakistani-brokered plan emerged from intense overnight contacts and proposes an immediate ceasefire, followed by negotiations on a broader peace settlement to be concluded within 15 to 20 days, a source aware of the proposals said on Monday.
Pakistan's army chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir, was in contact "all night long" with U.S. Vice President JD Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, the source said.
Iran's foreign ministry said on Monday Tehran had formulated positions and demands based on its interests and communicated them through intermediaries, in response to ceasefire proposals.

Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said details of the response would be announced in due time, but added negotiations were "incompatible with ultimatums and threats to commit war crimes."
Iran's demands "should not be interpreted as a sign of compromise, but rather as a reflection of its confidence in defending its positions," Baghaei told a press conference. He said earlier U.S. demands, such as a 15-point plan, were ⁠rejected for being excessive.
Earlier on Monday, a senior Iranian official told Reuters that Iran will not reopen the Strait as part of a temporary ceasefire, nor would it accept deadlines or pressure to reach a deal. Washington was not ready for a permanent ceasefire, the official said.

CEASEFIRE PROPOSAL 'ONE OF MANY IDEAS'​

Trump will speak about the ceasefire proposal at a press conference at 1 p.m. ET (1800 GMT), a White House official told Reuters.

"This is one of many ideas, and (Trump) has not signed off on it. Operation Epic Fury continues," they said, referring to the U.S. name for the operation against Iran.
U.S. stock index futures inched higher on Monday while oil prices fell by over $2 a barrel at one point as investors assessed the prospect of a ceasefire.
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GoP is doing its level best. One could not fault it even if they tried. I hope it bears fruit inshallah.

The trump card is that idiot Trump. He speaks with two tongues. Can't trust a single thing he says given all the whispers from his Zionist/Israeli constituency.

If his hubris prevails, things will get a lot worse before they get better and Iran will not surrender. This is what worries me. Trump needs to cut his losses and not let Netanyahu et-al influence him any more. Which is easier said than done.
 
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Meengla said:
In case no one posted. Reuters has a major story about a Pakistan based plan and Pakistan's Asma Shirazi You Tube channel also reporting Pakistan's Field Martial General Asim Munir personally involved.


The Pakistani-brokered plan emerged from intense overnight contacts and proposes an immediate ceasefire, followed by negotiations on a broader peace settlement to be concluded within 15 to 20 days, a source aware of the proposals said on Monday.
Pakistan's army chief, Field Marshal Asim Munir, was in contact "all night long" with U.S. Vice President JD Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, the source said.
Iran's foreign ministry said on Monday Tehran had formulated positions and demands based on its interests and communicated them through intermediaries, in response to ceasefire proposals.

Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said details of the response would be announced in due time, but added negotiations were "incompatible with ultimatums and threats to commit war crimes."
Iran's demands "should not be interpreted as a sign of compromise, but rather as a reflection of its confidence in defending its positions," Baghaei told a press conference. He said earlier U.S. demands, such as a 15-point plan, were ⁠rejected for being excessive.
Earlier on Monday, a senior Iranian official told Reuters that Iran will not reopen the Strait as part of a temporary ceasefire, nor would it accept deadlines or pressure to reach a deal. Washington was not ready for a permanent ceasefire, the official said.

CEASEFIRE PROPOSAL 'ONE OF MANY IDEAS'​

Trump will speak about the ceasefire proposal at a press conference at 1 p.m. ET (1800 GMT), a White House official told Reuters.

"This is one of many ideas, and (Trump) has not signed off on it. Operation Epic Fury continues," they said, referring to the U.S. name for the operation against Iran.
U.S. stock index futures inched higher on Monday while oil prices fell by over $2 a barrel at one point as investors assessed the prospect of a ceasefire.
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This plan, or anything remotely similar, does Iran a huge disservice. In fact, it sets Iran up for failure. America has made it clear they're not ready for a permanent ceasefire...why does that tell us? They intend to restart the war once they're stocked up.
Here's what Iran should offer as a temporary Ceasefire: SOH remains closed, and no military movement whatsoever in ME, in Israel or in UAE etc, if any movement is detected the deal is Null & Void. Let's see if the yanks take it up? I can't believe they stayed awake overnight to put this deal on?
 
Ali_Baba said:
The problem for Iran is it cannot retaliate and take out targets at this level in Israel. Ballistic missiles cannot achieve what saturation attacks of very precise cruise missiles can. At best Iran can respond with 2-3 missiles with them being near misses in response to this.

This is unfortunate for Iran, as Iran is taking some very serious hits right now, but Israel is not. The actual economic impact that Iran has imposed on Israel is actually quite low, very little has been actually destroyed and put out of commission ( outside of a drone factory ).
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Iran needs to start targeting these more aggressively if it wants to deter Israel. Not easy but also not impossible.

Key Israeli Offshore Energy Infrastructure:
  • Leviathan Field: Operated by Chevron with partners NewMed Energy and Ratio Energies, this field 80 miles off Haifa is the largest, supplying Israel, Egypt, and Jordan.
  • Tamar Field: Located off the northern coast, this field supplies roughly half of Israel's domestic natural gas.
  • Karish Field: Operated by Energean, this reservoir is another significant part of Israel's offshore gas production.
  • Security Context: As of April 2026, the Leviathan platform resumed operations after a month-long shutdown due to military conflict with Iran, highlighting the exposure of these assets to regional conflict.
Onshore Infrastructure:
  • EAPC System: The Europe Asia Pipeline Company (EAPC) operates major oil storage and trans-shipment terminals in Ashkelon and Eilat, serving as a critical hub in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Recent Events (March/April 2026):
  • Shutdowns: Leviathan and Karish were shut down to minimize risks of attack during "Operation Roaring Lion".
 
Bratva said:
They have money, power and means to sustain their country and population even in diplomatic isolation but can Iran?
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US is hedged from an inflationary shock by a thin veneer.
The bond yields are going north when US can least afford them... for masses life is already too expensive. The young generation cannot afford homes because the older ones use them as wealth generators and a hedge against inflation. Guess what that moves the starting line for younguns years down the road if ever... it makes them permanent serfs feeding orcs and corporations. The system is eating its own tail!

The optics that US generates are not it's wealth but the world that is still subsidizing it. What the orange clown was whining last year was the flipside of the coin... since the greatest export of the US is nothing other than the dollar itself... maintained by global buy back of US bonds and stocks ... subsidizing American consumption.
For the world that already produces real goods and services a bilateral regional and equitable trade is more meaningful though not so much for the elites that have used their gains to purchase a perch in the existing system and use that to help perpetuate it further on the backs of sweat shops and labor.
People who say gulf helps employ Pakistanis don't want to see the full picture... their aim is never to make Pakistan prosper. Ask that from anyone with a chauffeur to become his equal. Instead they use American consumer trapped in debt cycles and cheap labor trapped in bondage to extract the wealth and ride their shoulders.
 
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Aziqbal said:
Why do we have no commercial satellites images from Nevatim or Ben Gurion airports after Iranian attacks ?

New USA laws stop western nations

Not China and Russia

Do we know the level of damage Iran is doing to these sites ? It’s probably ALOT

Planet labs and maxar are banned

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Very good question. Wonder why the Chinese and Russian firms are also complying with this order to censored and help hide Israeli losses and damage. You'd think they'd happily provide that for everyone to see.
 
Blain2 said:
Iran needs to start targeting these more aggressively if it wants to deter Israel. Not easy but also not impossible.

Key Israeli Offshore Energy Infrastructure:
  • Leviathan Field: Operated by Chevron with partners NewMed Energy and Ratio Energies, this field 80 miles off Haifa is the largest, supplying Israel, Egypt, and Jordan.
  • Tamar Field: Located off the northern coast, this field supplies roughly half of Israel's domestic natural gas.
  • Karish Field: Operated by Energean, this reservoir is another significant part of Israel's offshore gas production.
  • Security Context: As of April 2026, the Leviathan platform resumed operations after a month-long shutdown due to military conflict with Iran, highlighting the exposure of these assets to regional conflict.
Onshore Infrastructure:
  • EAPC System: The Europe Asia Pipeline Company (EAPC) operates major oil storage and trans-shipment terminals in Ashkelon and Eilat, serving as a critical hub in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Recent Events (March/April 2026):
  • Shutdowns: Leviathan and Karish were shut down to minimize risks of attack during "Operation Roaring Lion".
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The zionist power grid is its most critical infrastructure. Their silicon valley analogue is their back bone along with weapons industry.
 
Bratva said:
USA/Israel going to destroy Iranian infra. Iran will in turn destroy GCC Infra. Both of them would suffer/their respective governments surely going to fall with what follows while USA/Israel would continue to function as a state. If Iran is not willing to accept diplomacy, doesn't have capability to destroy Israel/USA civilian infra. Is the regime willing to go down swinging?
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I don't think it's about Iran not willing to accept diplomacy.

They are more than ready and they have been pragmatic in their approach.

The issue lies with US and Israel, if they can hold on to their promises. It's pointless to have a temporary ceasefire, giving them a chance to rearm and plan again followed by damaging Iran again.

The destruction is painful, but they know that they have no other choice. It's either now, or never and this conflict is the best opportunity for them to extract maximum concessions and potentially permanent peace.

If they don't, the next war Iran is going to be fighting is with sticks and stones.
 
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