Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mujahid]

There must be hundreds if not thousands of bridges in Iran. US is going to strike all of that within a few hours window??

What can Iran do in retailation realistically ?

What ever happens Muslims countries will be bombarded from both sides.. Bad times for so called Ummah..

 

[Immortals]

 

[Cipher212]

Assessing Defense Cooperation Between Iran and China in the Wake of the 12-Day War | MENA Defense Intelligence Digest

Below, Hudson Senior Fellow Can Kasapoğlu offers an assessment of the growing defense ties between China and Iran. Executive Summary

www.hudson.org

As a result, some reports suggest that Iran has already acquired Chinese SAMs—most likely the HQ-9 and possibly the HQ-16 variants. The HQ-9 is a hybrid that marries the Russian SA-20 (specifically, the S-300 PMU-1 and S-300 PMU-2 variants) with higher-end command and control, radar, and seeker technologies. These higher-end technologies bear similarities to US and even Israeli assets, which Beijing has likely learned about through espionage.​

We will find out soon enough, after Iran surrendered.

At least one HQ-9 would have been spotted on satellite or been destroyed by now if in active service of Iranian military. They more likely do not have it.

 

[Mujahid]

That's not what we're talking about. Countries that can afford an airforce and also want an airforce, have it.

Iran clearly never bothered with its airforce. The doctrine is based on their drones and missiles. You are boasting about 'grounding' IRIAF when it was already in the Museum before the war.

Instead of supporting proxies Iranians should have developed their airfoce..

 

[Immortals]

At least one HQ-9 would have been spotted on satellite or been destroyed by now if in active service of Iranian military. They more likely do not have it.

Not to mention it takes 1 year of training to field such a system and getting crews trained. It’s not plug and play.

He is just trolling. Mods not doing their job in this thread.

 

[ety]

Who told u this, idiot.. U have been day dreaming or either u are a “Indian.”
1- U said that Iranian have Chinese weapons, especially radar.. When did they buy that?? Share proper evidence not some X post..
The equipments that failed were of American in Middle East and Israel.. There air defense miserably failed to stop Iranian attack..

Yes, he is partly Indian he admitted.

 

[Shags101]

Not to mention it takes 1 year of training to field such a system and getting crews trained. It’s not plug and play.

He is just trolling. Mods not doing their job in this thread.

It’s really just one mod I’m not a fan of especially after that feigning ignorance of trump degrading Islam but honestly ignore and move on yeah since I’m stating a fact of what he did I’m fine with call ing him or not even pretend to take someone like that seriously

 

[Falcon29]

Whatever happens tomorrow the Jewish-American community is entirely responsible for it and I hope the world holds the Jewish race accountable for any catastrophe that unfolds

If the Jewish race is this dangerous to everyone else then I think the world will need to put them back into reeducation camps, forced conversions, and remove them from all and any influential positions

The sick Jewish Americans like Bari Wiess Sharmootah, Jake Tapper, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Bill Maher, Laura Loomer, and the other millions demented Jewish Americans are responsible for all this

 

[Falcon29]

Even if there is some kind of deal in the near or distant future if Israel isn’t going to abide by it no point in stopping until Israel feels the heat of it Iran can’t stop until Israel’s infrastructure is and cities suffer so much damage that the Israeli population turns on Bibi right or left once these missiles keep hitting population centers and infrastructure or the war in Lebanon becomes a protracted war of attrition with daily losses its the only way honestly West Bank is about to go into flames soon enough with daily settler attacks weird thing these guys in the West Bank have been extremely quiet I mean extremely quiet something is brewing there

Unfortunately Iran do not have military capabilities to make Israel feel the heat. Which is why US and Israel are now moving to targeting their civilian infrastructure. Because Israel will not be at receiving end of retailaiton. But instead GCC will be.

It should be apparent by now Iran does not have this capability at the moment. Hezbollah may be intensifying their fire. We don't know.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes, he is partly Indian he admitted.

Gambit is fully Vietnamese who refuged to America during the Vietnam war according to his biography in the old PDF.

Some Asian Americans like him are really crazy devoted MAGA, a perfect example as the zeal of the convert.

 

[Falcon29]

To God we belong and to Him we shall return. O Allah, protect our country and the lands of the Muslims.

O Allah, take revenge on those who ignited the war and harmed the Muslims. O Allah, we entrust to You our families and our people, and Allah is sufficient for us, and He is the best Disposer of affair
s.

 

[Shags101]

If the Jewish race is this dangerous to everyone else then I think the world will need to put them back into reeducation camps, forced conversions, and remove them from all and any influential positions

The sick Jewish Americans like Bari Wiess Sharmootah, Jake Tapper, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Bill Maher, Laura Loomer, and the other millions demented Jewish Americans are responsible for all this

You do know the vast Americans who are Jewish don’t approve of the war and despise Bibi I may not care for those who control congress with the wallets but most despise Bibi and his cronies…..not going to lie the ones that live around me are hardcore Zionists but since we don’t live in Israel or Palestine they no better they are quick with their phones to record people after they are the ones who started racist remarks

 

[Shags101]

Unfortunately Iran do not have military capabilities to make Israel feel the heat. Which is why US and Israel are now moving to targeting their civilian infrastructure. Because Israel will not be at receiving end of retailaiton. But instead GCC will be.

It should be apparent by now Iran does not have this capability at the moment. Hezbollah may be intensifying their fire. We don't know.

Honestly as much as you and others have doubted and the rate Irans missiles have been connecting over the past week I’m going to bet that they will very much prove you wrong Israel’s electrical grid is extremely fragile Israel’s own state comptroller called the government out about this a few direct hits Israel itself will be put in the Stone Age

 

[Immortals]

Gambit is fully Vietnamese who refuged to America during the Vietnam war according to his biography in the old PDF.

Some Asian Americans like him are really crazy devoted MAGA, a perfect example as the zeal of the convert.

A Vietnamese who was a US Airforce pilot in the 90s? Yeah I don’t buy it. Maybe he has a Vietnamese mail order bride or something.

 

[gambit]

As a former American soldier, what do you think of the reasons behind this war? Many of your colleagues believe that the US government has been completely compromised by Israel for many years now. Do you think that’s true, or is it simply a matter of shared interests?

Many, if not most, on this forum know from long ago that I do not like Trump. But to me, the idea that Trump is being 'played' by Netanyahu is just -- unbelievable. I do not know Trump personally, never even met him, but most likely I have more anti-Trump books than anyone on this forum have read in my home library. The common theme in all those anti-Trump books is that Stump is his own man. Clump trust no one but his gut instincts and lesser his family. So far, politically speaking, Dump is better than average and that is what driving the Democrats nuts.

Now, regarding the war...

My suspicion is that is Iraq is the primary lesson for Bump and his advisors. Am not talking WMDs even though it is clearer than Iraq that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons state status. Am talking about the 'imminent threat' status.

The question is: Can you afford a potential threat to become imminent?

A 'potential' threat remains potential as long as they are somehow incapable of getting out of that state, and as long as they remains potential, you can afford to keep just monitoring them. But once they approaches imminent state, now you must allocate greater political and military resources towards defending yourself.

We all know the old saying supposedly from Clausewitz: War is the continuation of politics by other means.

Actually, the original is: War is the continuation of POLICY by other means.

It is not pedantic.

Policy is an idea or what you want to do. Or a one-way street.

Politics is when your idea conflicts with someone else's idea. Or a two-way street.

If politics is successful, then we have a compromise where no one gets everything but everyone got something. Politics is what we want.

It is possible to falsely believe what is policy by the other side. And this happens on a regular basis.

I believe that Trump and his advisors are convinced, falsely or else, that it is POLICY of Iran to attack the US once Iran become a nuclear weapons state. I could be wrong, but whether I am wrong or right is 50/50. Just like anyone else's guess. Sure, the Israelis definitely have their inputs, but there are also plenty of Trump's inner and outer circles who are suspicious of Israel's motives. So, from this conviction, again false or else, Trump and his advisors decided the US cannot afford to have Iran reached that 'imminent threat' state. If I look at this strictly from a military perspective, the denial of 'imminent threat' state is a much more desirable approach.