Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Zarvan]

One month and ten days of this war between the USA and Israel on one side and Iran on the other side has once again proved a few points that the will to survive and no fear of death will eventually triumph over the will to occupy and make people slaves or make them surrender to your will. On the other hand, this conflict also makes it clear that if you lack technology, power, and military might, you may eventually win against a bigger, stronger, and vastly more powerful enemy. Still, the destruction in your own country after the end of the war will be catastrophic, and it will take decades and a huge sum of money to recover from that. In other words, you need both; you need progress, but that doesn't mean you lose the will and appetite to fight and, if needed, die for your own country. So, the will to fight and obliterate your enemy, plus investing in education, technology, and military might, have to go along. You ignore one you pay a very heavy price.

 

[ToddE]

Ceasefire before full destruction of US-bases and Israel+PGCC oil/energy (conventional MAD) will mean they will return in 1-2 months and we will be talking about broken promises.

 

[Immortals]

Reported attacks on Kuwait and Saudi Arabia the past hour.

Kuwait once again allowed its territory to fire over 30 HIMARS missiles at Iran

 

[Meengla]

Not cruel by random happenstance. Tel Aviv doctrine is the fundamental problem.
I put it to the American nation that they should know better than to behave like this. The maniac Hegseth is fully indoctrinated by his tattoos.

This is what Trita Parsi keeps repeating: Americans in this war have too much adapted the Israeli ways. In past, even misuse of prisoners at Iraq's Abu Gharaib had caused a major PR issue in America for which damage controlled was done.
Now... a girls school gets bombed, killing so many people, and instead of any apology, the victims get blamed by no less than the President of America.
American military is trained in prestigious Western war colleges with a storeyed history. Discipline, morality, ethics are part of that. Israelis look like a mob military if one recalls the tiktoker dancing around tanks in Gaza in front of utter death and destruction. But with a total degenerate President in America, even the US military is getting tarnished by this war.

 

[ToddE]

One month and ten days of this war between the USA and Israel on one side and Iran on the other side has once again proved a few points that the will to survive and no fear of death will eventually triumph over the will to occupy and make people slaves or make them surrender to your will. On the other hand, this conflict also makes it clear that if you lack technology, power, and military might, you may eventually win against a bigger, stronger, and vastly more powerful enemy. Still, the destruction in your own country after the end of the war will be catastrophic, and it will take decades and a huge sum of money to recover from that. In other words, you need both; you need progress, but that doesn't mean you lose the will and appetite to fight and, if needed, die for your own country. So, the will to fight and obliterate your enemy, plus investing in education, technology, and military might, have to go along. You ignore one you pay a very heavy price.

USA, Israel, PGCC arabs with logistics support of EU members on one side and Iran on the other.

 

[Immortals]

Ceasefire before full destruction of US-bases and Israel+PGCC oil/energy (conventional MAD) will mean they will return in 1-2 months and we will be talking about broken promises.

A ceasefire would be a historic mistake by Iran likely due to immense pressure of the liberal elite class and the reformist working to convince the Larijani like elements to reign in IRGC.

I said from the beginning of the war and the proof is in this very forum that IRGC would fight till the 40th day death memorial of SL Ali Khamenai. It looks like they plan to do just that if it weren’t for the 5th column inside this country.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[ToddE]

A ceasefire would be a historic mistake by Iran likely due to immense pressure of the liberal elite class and the reformist working to convince the Larijani like elements to reign in IRGC.

I said from the beginning of the war and the proof is in this very forum that IRGC would fight till the 40th day death memorial of SL Ali Khamenai. It looks like they plan to do just that if it weren’t for the 5th column inside this country.

I believe that IRGC will fight to the last breath, they are strategically winning through conventional MAD by making sure region burns if we burn, esp the ones who hosted our enemy to strike us. They are built to be that even if likes of corrupt azz Ghalibaf and weak Araghchi sign on some stupid ceasefire paper. I feel they will end up like Larijani the pragmatic genius "philosopher" who tried to talk on his own, on behalf of IRI (basically IRGC). Reformist cucks are again about to do JCPOA 2.0 only 100 times more dangerous this time. IRGC has to nuke up NOW or reformists and pragmatic fake principalists will drive the success on battlefield to the ground.

 

[Immortals]

If Iran stops now it will be a historic mistake. Not that this circus show of a government ever listens to me.

 

[Yasser76]

You probably like Randy Fine's face and his politics ?

Please stop it, both of you, it is unbecoming of you both.

 

[ToddE]

IRGC showed pre-emptive approach before. They went after largest HC facilities this morning in PGCC including giant ones inside KSA. Let the crude hit 150-200-250-300 as some fear. IRGC MUST NOT STOP or their entire 100 waves, the control of escalation ladder for 40 days of war against hyper power led alliance will go to waste. We are losing buildings, so what ? PGCC snakes are burning as well, US-Israel have lost 90+ aircrafts + 13 giant radars composed EW network, Israel has 8K hospitalized injuries and 15K buildings destroyed too. We will lose all this if we allow traitors from inside to do JCPOA 2.0.

 

[ToddE]

Please stop it, both of you, it is unbecoming of you both.

I am not doing anything. I just do not like the self-loathing "I told you so" type Iranians, we have plenty of those in diaspora.

 

[ToddE]

If Iran stops now it will be a historic mistake. Not that this circus show of a government ever listens to me.

History is repeating

Ghalibaf, Araghchi, Baghaei, Larijani = Bani Sadr
Pahlavi = Rajavi
IRGC = IRGC (Nothing changed)

 

[Garcia Sea]

Iran's underground bases are severely constrained by geological factors.
Many of Iran's mountain ranges consist of very brittle limestone, which easily collapses when tunnels are dug.
Solid granite is concentrated in a narrow belt between Sanandaj and Sirjan, a remote area hundreds of kilometers from the Persian Gulf.
Iran cannot build robust bases along the coast.
Furthermore, the granite zone is concentrated in the northwestern part of the belt, forcing Iran's missile cities to be concentrated in limited locations.
As a result, their operations are restricted due to concentrated attacks.