Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[r3alist]

Not even a day.
Not back to the drawing board. The strategy failed. They didn't work out the pitfalls... the policy behind remains intact. The negotiations are a sham when US position is maximalist... so what are the talks about? Surrender?

It is not about replenishing the reserves. It is about moving resources at the right locations. Getting troops and materiel... work out the available recon... as Iranians have no idea on what is or has been available... what or who are locked up behind the lines waiting for a thaw. It means the variables are unknown and US policy hasn't changed.

zion is not part of these negotiations and as before they will act first and manage fallout later. US doesn't collar the hound... it is the US that is in fact collard. So, there again ... no guarantees. No mediator can enforce anything either.

So it is a breather to let the wind escape ... get the much needes oil in the market and reset the clock that is about to run out. Not only globally but in the US as well. Where one thing of concern to many politicians are upcoming midterms... though not so for a lame duck orange.

Even a temporary cessation will have terms to it, and if they get broken then you leave the room and resume.


Yes of course that would mean the Americans can strategize but then it could be useful for Iran as well. It depends how cute you want to get about it, the biggest obstacle is making this happen for the first time, because no one wants to project weakness, but once talks have happened once it makes a path for the future more possible


Ultimately it depends on the vision for the route to the end game, there is one version where you have multiple rounds of talks, in between the fighting which ultimately brings everyone closer to an agreement, I don't really see that as ceding any leverage because Iran already has established control on the flow of ships, they maintain missile capability and in any case will be prepared for a ground invasion.


What is obviously discomforting is the alternate vision on rhetoric around an apocalyptic escalation spiral that just keeps on going without pause, and then somehow emerges a winner and a willing loser.

 

[kobra]

MTV? Isn't that a reality show channel?

So as the Pres of US haha Its Labenese tv btw

 

[hasn2009]

People cheering for temporary ceasefire, what do you think will happen for next 15 days, and after 15 days? Do you guys remember Gaza ceasefire? Lebanon ceasefire?

 

[Aggregate]

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Egyptian Intelligence is communicating directly with the Revolutionary Guard and the Iranian leadership, as well as the Pakistani Chief of Staff, for negotiations.

@Desert .. any news from Egyptian side on what is going on ?

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The person running the White House page is an American Jew

The 8PM deadline is now null and devoid. It is negotiations going late into night.

Put any mediation in this context exactly.
The realtor has always taken leverage with time... pressing against a deadline to get the maximum outcome.

Unfortunately, real people are dying and real pain is being caused behind these petty and sick games... the devil and his manifesto "Art of the Deal".

 

[HAIDER]

People cheering for ceasefire, what do you think will happen for next 15 days, and after 15 days? Do you guys remember Gaza ceasefire? Lebanon ceasefire?

repositioning and supplies

 

[ShapurII]

They're not going to put anything in place, they're going to take the oil.

If it were up to me, it's not, but if it were, I would've happily given them all of our oil, natural gas, helium reserves, lithium reserves and anything else they want if they install a secular puppet state.

Anything but these incompetent fools that are ruling over us now. Even MEK is fine at this point.

 

[Falcon29]

In a little while, Trump might tweet:

The Prime Minister of Pakistan asked me to extend the deadline, and he's a great and very smart man, and I love him, and he says good things about me, so I'm going to extend it, especially since Iran has shown seriousness in the negotiations, and the war might end soon

 

[Immortals]

 

[RocketLaw]

....(Continue)....
Although most channels canceled the segments simultaneously (reasons unknown), many channels have also demonstrated press freedom and courage by taking us on air still.

Mohammad Hussain Baqri; Expert, Iran (Tehran) also faced a similar situation and has issued a statement in this regard.

 

[Meengla]

Guys, Americans are behaving like rabid dogs at the moment. You must live for another day rather than come directly in the line of sight of the dogs.
Don't get your women and children killed by the rabid dogs. If you think your regime will survive after the ceasefire, go for it.
Allah Kareem

It seems some Iranians in this forum are pretty confident of Iran's ability to exact a lot of pain on Israel. I hope they are right but so far, sadly, I don't see evidence supporting that.
So I agree with your post: Take the two-week ceasefire if on the offer. Iran will still have the firepower to cause havoc in Israel after two weeks. Meanwhile, regroup for any eventual fight.

 

[r3alist]

 

[kobra]

I'll write this here, and we can judge it later:

If Iran accepts a ceasefire, before the ceasefire goes into effect, Israel will bomb the remaining targets on its list, excluding power plants. Even if the ceasefire gives them just one hour, they will use it.

It will be another moral victory for Iran... Like no developing Nuke was, as Islam prohibits WMD .. BTW If Israil attacks whitin hour then it will have no surprise element and there wont be much change in defensive or offensive posture of Iran immediately after deals get announced. Iran will probably carry on the attacks as decided right now.. However it will be highly embarrassing for mediators

 

[unconventional]

Micro drones have not been a factor this time

We hit an F-35 and F-15 this time

This time the U.S. joined Israel with 10,000+ strikes within a month, we have not many air defences for a massive mountainous country, not much we can do about that within 9 months

Iran made a strategic blunder by not fully aligning itself with China over the years. That’s the plain truth.

 

[Falcon29]

But Muslims leaders are silently watching ...

It's not Muslims responsibility alone.

Israel and the Jewish-American community are behaving like rabid dogs.

It's the collective world responsibility to neutralize the threat coming from them because it is worse than Nazi Germany