Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

well looks like the messaging is at least being controlled by external parties...

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FFS people.

Read the actual tweet.

This draft was prepared by a Pakistani. Even the grammar and syntax are clearly Pakistani-style English. Nobody other than a Pakistani (or plausibly an Indian, but we know that didn't happen because they are busily smashing their typewriters in hysterical rage) would write in this way.

The header was "Pakistani PM draft" to avert any ambiguity from the staff who prepared it. It is plausible and reasonable that other parties saw this draft so messages were co-ordinated and not contradictory. But there is ZERO doubt that a Pakistani staffer of the GoP prepared this.

Folks need to stay focused on the contents of the proposal.

Let Indian media howl about this all they like. They can only really howl these days, nothing more.
 
Well, based on what the Pakistani officials and media said, and I trust them because this whole thing was their idea, the ceasefire is for buying time to negotiate a deal. What happened the last two times that we negotiated with the Trump administration?
Or they already negotiated the ceasefire. Trump got to stroke his ego with his latest tweet. He gets to tell his magatards that he won the war and forced Iran into submission. Iran gets the 10 point plan.

What more could they have done short of dropping nukes on us? Continue bombing civilian infrastructure won’t open Hormuz or stop IRGC from launching drones and missiles on a daily basis.
 
Better option for ceasefire would have been....Just cease fire all parties, everything else stays same including SOH closed, during cease fire time try to work out best possible way out, acceptable to both parties.

Opening SOH for cease fire is asking too much from Iran, while USA is not giving anything or showing any flexability....
 
Do you want to win the real war or the war on TikTok?

I understand what you’re saying. But isn’t it contradictory to say «Iran’s target selection is terrible» and «The US and especially Israel will never announce their military losses» You’re literally admitting you don’t know what Iran has targeted.

I said exclsuively military. Iran should be hitting their military for the most part. But When Israel is pretending its military is untouched, and their people are made of titanium and have a 1000 to 1 Injury to death ratio….

Thats a propaganda problem that Iran needs to solve. Zionists are extremely cowardly and get quickly demoralized by losses. Thats why their regime goes to extreme lenghths to hide their losses

Iran cannot be playing into this game. They have to show the settler population the reality of war every single night
 
Its only a victory if the conflict comes to an end, not when its a 2 week breather for the U.S and Israel to resupply and finish the job!
Well when a pause happens, it allows others to weigh in. China/Russia/Turkey/EU can all weigh in to extend the term and make it permanent and vouch for Iran. Obviously all of this could be for nought, but it is a start.
 
No offense taken but you, living as an Iranian expat in a Western country, should really think about as to why the Iranians would consider the 'ceasefire'?
I at least never said Iran could be like Syria or Libya. I'd leave it up to whatever remaining Iranian leadership, whose lives have been spared from targeting and for the Iranian people to decide if and how to conduct this war. Somehow I think if they are going to agree to the ceasefire then they must know their reality better than some expats sitting in the West, no offense to you, sir.
Sometimes the best strategist is the impartial observer. We have seen how ceasefires and agreements have turned out in the past for other countries. Libya ended its nuclear program in 2003, Qaddafi was killed less than a decade later and Libya is now plunged into eternal civil war. Syria give up their program in 2009 and collapsed less than 2 decades later. Iraq in 1991 etc. All that's happened now is that clock has started.
 
China also seemed to have played a crucial role.

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But we still have a Jewish son of a whore threatening annihilations in Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and God knows where else now

China didn't do shit until it takes steps to isolate Israel.

They are all scared of even saying a few words towards Jews
 
Or they already negotiated the ceasefire. Trump got to stroke his ego with his latest tweet. He gets to tell his magatards that he won the war and forced Iran into submission. Iran gets the 10 point plan.

What more could they have done short of dropping nukes on us? Continue bombing civilian infrastructure won’t open Hormuz or stop IRGC from launching drones and missiles on a daily basis.
Yes, right. The US felt so desperate that it had to surrender to Iran unconditionally and accept Iran's conditions. I'm not sure if we were following the same war.

Launch an all-out ground invasion after destroying Iran's infrastructure?
For the billionth time, without an air force, Iran cannot move its troops airborne. And they were hitting our bridges and railways to stop large troop movements on the ground too. Their small military operation inside Iran taught them that Iran is vulnerable on the ground. Now, if you think they could have done nothing else short of dropping nukes on us, I don't know what to say.
 
Its only a victory if the conflict comes to an end, not when its a 2 week breather for the U.S and Israel to resupply and finish the job!

Again, as I said above: The 'breather' given by Iran is for only 2 weeks after rejecting the original 6 weeks one. There is certainly significance to that.
 

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