Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Taimoor]

well looks like the messaging is at least being controlled by external parties...

What do you expect from a boot polisher? He has to F it up at some point.

 

[Master Chief]

I don’t want to get much into this. I just found it funny. But wouldn’t the title of a draft written by a Pakistani for Pakistan’s PM read «PMs statement on x» rather than «Pakistans PMs statement on x?»

I also don't want to go too deep into this..

But my counter to your point is simple...

The drafts of ALL parties would have been circulated among ALL parties to assure congruence. This is not unusual and reduces the risk of contradictory statements.

If a Pakistani draft is being passed under the eyes of Washington and Tehran, it needs to say "Pakistani" in the header.

Hope that makes sense.

I have no doubt, reading the syntax and grammar, that a native Pakistani wrote that draft. AI wouldn't achieve that statement. I, as a foreign born Pakistani, would also not write like that.

 

[Starlord]

Indeed brother.. indeed!

But never the less a much needed sigh of relief, i really hope that both countries get what they want from this deal and ceasefire hold.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran is honorably trying to safeguard the territorial integrity of Lebanon. This is just a 2 week ceasefire and the Iranians seem to be agreeing to that, instead of the previous 6 week proposal, which would allow the Americans/Israelis to significantly buttress up their assault forces.
The 2 weeks are to give the 'diplomacy' a truly last chance. But Iran will retain the same firepower and the ability to block the Strait after two weeks as it does now; that must be understood.

It’s over dude, the ceasefire will become permanent.

 

[r3alist]

 

[kobra]

Dont forget our retired supreme commander please

 

[codename]

At least as per the message, the 10 points came form Iran, so this does not seem like Iran is the one surrendering if the points were presented by them.

From tonight onwards, this would have turned into a war of attrition. No gain, no benefits, no lead for anyone at all. Iran would not have gained any additional position of strength from here onwards.

Iran will at this time, be able to negotiate form a good position of power, Hormuz will still be in Iran's grasp, Iran still has Missiles, Forces and a lot of Oil infra. Nothing wrong with moving onto negotiations from here on.

I think Iran was already operating from position of strength and they maintained a lot of leverage. Being responsible for making major oil refineries of the world run dry is a huge leverage.

By accepting this ceasefire, Iran will lose some of that leverage. The US can use these two weeks to restock oil supplies so it's better prepared for whatever happens when the two week deadline expires. What exactly will Iran gain in these two weeks? Of course I know they still could close the strait in two weeks again, but the US won't be this desperate if they accumulate sufficient oil supplies.

I think the ceasefire works more in favor of US than Iran.

It is also said that China intervened and asked Iran to show flexibility be accepting the ceasefire request. Wondering what's their game plan.

 

[the saint]

 

[Blain2]

I don’t want to get much into this. I just found it funny. But wouldn’t the title of a draft written by a Pakistani for Pakistan’s PM read «PMs statement on x» rather than «Pakistans PMs statement on x?»

Ok so let's assume, as you are implying surreptitiously, that it was dictated by the Americans.

If that is the case then maybe Iran should have refused. It is as simple as that. Don't shoot the messenger. If Iran and Iranians don't like the message, say no and deal with the repercussions.

What I find "funny" is this wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Pakistan did what it could to pull the countries back from the brink. Instead of taking pot-shots at Pakistan/Pakistani government, perhaps more introspection should be applied to Iran, Iran's preparedness, government reaction, strategy etc. etc.

Most Pakistanis posting here do it from a place of caring for Iran. Unfortunately, I don't see that reciprocated by many members from Iran.

 

[hasn2009]

Iran knows US/Israel can't be trusted, they used the cover of negotiations last 2 times to attack Iran.

 

[pakistaniandproud]

 

[ShapurII]

And yet, Iran has never issued a diplomatic statement on Ukraine, after all their aggressive statements on Iran and firing our diplomats!

We do not have sovereignty over our own Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Iran, we're a punching bag in the world, and people here think the US has unconditionally surrendered to us. You can't make this shit up.

 

[Aryan_B]

Whilst i have my reservations about this ceasefire i am happy that Iran is spared the suffering I hope and pray for best for Iran and its brave people

 

[r3alist]

They lost a couple of helicopters and two C-130s. Zero killed in action! Do you get it? Zero US soldiers died.

They are going to launch an all-out ground invasion if Iran doesn't surrender to their terms. That's what this ceasefire is all about, to prepare for that while controlling oil prices and preventing an economic disaster.

But then if they do the cease fire ends, and what do you imagine can massively mobilise in two weeks?


The economic disaster imagined has not happened in the west, it has happened to other neighboring countries. Meanwhile Iran is seriously taking damage and more has been promised before the ceasefire.

This whole line of thinking is either flawed or hyperbolic.

 

[Master Chief]

Ok so let's assume, as you are implying surreptitiously, that it was dictated by the Americans.

If that is the case then maybe Iran should have refused. It is as simple as that. Don't shoot the messenger. If Iran and Iranians don't like the message, say no and deal with the repercussions.

What I find "funny" is this wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Pakistan did what it could to pull the countries back from the brink.

It was written by a native Pakistani. No doubt about it. Read the syntax and grammar.