Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Garcia Sea said:
It's over. Countries that agree to a temporary ceasefire are inevitably destroyed. Governments that agree to such a ridiculous ceasefire are abandoned by both patriots and the military. That is precisely the main objective of a temporary ceasefire.
In the Nagorno-Karabakh War, ceasefires were signed four times in just two months. Each time, Azerbaijan launched surprise attacks and broke the ceasefires.
This repeated abandonment of the government by both citizens and the military led to unconditional surrender two months later.
Iran is trying to repeat this history.
They are truly foolish.
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I understand your sentiment, however if China has thrown its weight behind it may help to strengthen for longer term solution. I said many pages back only country that can act as a peace guarantor is China, if reports are true that has happened. But lets wait for the details and pray this holds and no devilish backstabbing happens for third time.
 
TAC said:
You forgot to mention we also owe Iran for giving Indian RAW agents Iranian passports and use Iran as a base to spread terror in Pakistan & that’s much more recent than what little the Shah did. Regardless, why are u so butt hurt over Pakistan trying to stop this war? Not like Pakistan can or is forcing Iran to accept any terms. Iran doesn’t have to agree to anything. I just hope that doesn’t result in the orange idiot following through on his threats.
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Iran is too big and mountainous (2 x Pak) with 3rd of Pakistan's population. Recent internal sabotage in Iran reveals how easy it is for israel to buy some dissidents.
India managed to spy for israel in Qatar (a small country).
Therefore, I think we should cut some slack for Iran that it cannot have eyes all over the country.
 
ShapurII said:
They lost a couple of helicopters and two C-130s. Zero killed in action! Do you get it? Zero US soldiers died.

They are going to launch an all-out ground invasion if Iran doesn't surrender to their terms. That's what this ceasefire is all about, to prepare for that while controlling oil prices and preventing an economic disaster.
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Ground invasion against Iran is a fantasy. The war is only one month old and fuel, food prices will hurt US citizens and energy prices will not be the same again. This war (if it continues) differs from Vietnam, Libya, Syria, Iraq war because Iran can destroy all energy facilities, water desalinations and cause HUGE crisis worldwide (including US citizens and other westerners). This makes the enemy think twice. If it was that easy, they would have done it already.
 
r3alist said:
Bro, let's hope for the best, the war now moves from missiles and fighter jets to diplomats on the table, arguing signaling negotiating and everything else they do

And there is nothing to stop Iran remaining vigilant and proactive to any threat.

This could last two hours two days or two weeks
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Yes, because Iran has such capable diplomats as we have seen in the last 2 rounds of negotiations and the JCPOA.

Ali_Baba said:
The passage of warships is unknown relative to this deal but you have to assume the Iranians have that consideration?
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Iran waited like a sitting duck for 50 days as the US brought more aircraft and weapons to the Middle East until the US finally launched their attack. Has something changed this time?
 
Blain2 said:
These are the Key Aspects of Iran's Proposal for permanent End to Hostilities:
-A lasting peace agreement rather than a temporary ceasefire.
-Security Guarantees: Assurances that Iran will not be attacked again.
-Lifting Sanctions: Complete removal of all US sanctions imposed on Iran.
-Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran would reopen the vital energy route but charge a $2 million fee per vessel, to be split with Oman.
-Regional Security: End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and other regional attacks.
-Reconstruction Funding: Revenue from the Strait to be used for rebuilding infrastructure rather than direct reparations
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Good work Iran! Stuck to your rights as a leader of the region.

My humble request to the proud and defiant civilisational nation state to our west...

Take the toll money. Take the enrichment rights. Build a deterrent force to be reckoned with, including missiles. Then suddenly, you will see Tel Aviv come dragging its feet to the negotiating table.

There is much to be done now. Tehran literally just EARNED its place in the highest corridors of power. Tel Aviv MUST pay attention to what Tehran SAYS now. That is a paradigm shift.
 
Why are there so many people so ignorant of history?
Are there so many people who don't know the history of how Hitler, during his invasion of France, repeatedly engaged in peace negotiations and temporary ceasefires, preventing France from adopting a fighting stance and ultimately forcing its unconditional surrender?
Are there so many people who are intoxicated by superficial words and lack solid knowledge?
Countries that have entered into temporary ceasefires have invariably ended up losing the war.
Temporary ceasefires by invaders are nothing more than traps for further attacks.
Why can't people understand something even a child can intuitively grasp: if the enemy truly desired peace, they wouldn't propose a temporary ceasefire?
It's astonishing that the Iranian people haven't learned this lesson, even after being ambushed during peace negotiations, having Khamenei killed, and his entire family, including his granddaughter, massacred. With such a foolish attitude on display, no one will want to help Iran anymore. Iran's diplomatic isolation is a result of its excessively foolish behavior.
 
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