Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

A U.S. Air Force C-40 VIP jet flew from Ramstein to Islamabad and has since departed.

The aircraft, tail 01-0015 using callsign SAM033, likely carried a senior U.S. official tied to Iran talks.

But the real question is why are Americans moving cargo flights to Middle East again

Could these talks be a diversion to catch Iran off guard?

After all the treacherous nature of Europeans never changes they always use deception to win wars after losing them

Deception , distraction and diversion is in the DNA of Western leaders

Pakistan should inform Iran immediately if they suspect a false flag coming
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
I am concerned that the USA may have used Pakistan as a mediator to save face against Iran. Essentially, after being pressured by Iran’s strategic move of blocking sea routes, Trump found an escape route and a way to save face.
Anyway, it can be seen as a victory for Iran—a victory of resistance rather than surrender. The U.S., on the other hand, appears to have ended the conflict with a face-saving solution, with support from Pakistan
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Overall a decent post but why are you 'concerned' that Trump availed Pakistan to try to wrap up this war? Shouldn't you be happy? India's own Shashi Tharoor is happy about Pakistan playing its role. I dare say almost all the world wants this damn war to stop except the hawks in Israel.
And you are right: Pakistan doesn't name America in any negative way and instead choose Israel as the target. Pakistanis know their economic weaknesses where the American support is crucial. What' would be the point of 'Death to America' by the Pakistan govt anyway when it will only hurt the Pakistani interests? Plenty of countries with hotheaded leaders have seen the consequences of trying to punch above their weight.
 
maxpane said:
mossad plus israel all hype is totally exposd in this war .
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Its better to prepare than to underestimate your enemy.

Mossad is extremely resourceful and effective, top-tier and their air force is no slough. Their air defense systems are highly capable.
Land force is their weak link, but Hizbullah would have been a serious challenge to any highly capable army with their method of warfare and training. (Multiple times more capable than the likes of BLA scum).

Combine it with their demented mindset and backing and support of most powerful elite in the world.

Not to forget the real number of Nuclear weapon in its possession complimented by a triad of delivery systems more effective and technologically advanced than Pakistan.
 
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We've returned to the law of the jungle. And even animals learn that to survive predators in the jungle, there is safety in numbers. Something that some humans don't seem to understand.
 
Immortals said:
So despite firing hundreds of missiles and 1000+ drones at Saudi Arabia, Iran managed to reduce Saudi daily oil production by *checks notes*

5-6%

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So, if Iran could only achieve this effect with what it fired into Saudi Arabia, then what is the point of Iran continuing military operations? What can Iran achieve vs a ceasefire and potentially translating what it has gained into political goals.
 
NY Times on JD Vance going to Pakistan...


Weeks after Vice President JD Vance privately warned President Trump of the costs of a full-scale U.S. war with Iran, he is now leading the charge to negotiate an end to the biggest foreign policy crisis that the president has faced during his time in office.

Mr. Vance, along with Steve Witkoff, the president’s special envoy, and Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, are expected to travel to Pakistan on Friday to hold talks with the Iranians, as a cease-fire between the United States and Iran is under strain. It would be the highest-level meeting between U.S. and Iranian officials since 1979.

The stakes are enormous for Mr. Trump and for Mr. Vance, whose most high-profile assignments from Mr. Trump have involved domestic politics, most recently as the president’s “fraud czar.”

Before the war began, the vice president was planning to be heavily focused on traveling the country ahead of the midterm elections, counteracting widespread concerns over the cost of living and affordability by attacking Democrats as out of touch and politically extreme. The war has upended that messaging. An Iranian blockade around the Strait of Hormuz, a key oil route, has sent energy prices soaring.

“Knowing that this is a midterm election year, that is the biggest leverage point that the Iranians have, and they know that,” said Marc Short, who served as chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence, Mr. Vance’s predecessor from Mr. Trump’s first term. “That creates a challenge for the president’s negotiating team.”

He added: “There’s a best-case scenario that you have successful talks, and you have a great news cycle about it. But doesn’t Iran know that they can break the terms, as they have in the past?”

Mr. Vance, 41, has stayed largely at the periphery of other high-stakes foreign policy missions, including the operation to seize Nicolás Maduro and depose him as Venezuela’s leader. He was traveling in Azerbaijan in February, when Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, delivered a presentation requesting U.S. involvement in a war with Iran.
 
PAKISTANFOREVER said:
In all honesty and even for non-Mulsims, being "anti-israeli" and "anti-semetic" is now a trendy, cool fashion statement and badge of honour.
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A rabid dog must be put down ; Pakistan and Israel were to have a clash. The US and European s won’t react if Israel is hit with a nuclear retaliatory strike by Pakistanis strike.. I even think they’ll be relieved . lol 😂
 
To believe that war can end through negotiation is the fantasy of those who know nothing of history. There has never been a single instance of this in human history. Negotiations are merely a ratification of the outcome on the battlefield; war ends only through the surrender of one side or the complete exhaustion of both sides and the loss of their will to continue fighting. Ceasefires agreed upon while one side still wishes to fight have been broken 100% of the time. To engage in ceasefire negotiations before the outcome has been decided on the battlefield is, in itself, the folly of ignorant people who know nothing of military history.
 
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