Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

That story came from a U.S. journalist who had to walk it back because she made it up

She didn’t make it up, she just said what everyone already knew and the news aggregators spun it as new fact.

Vance told the Iranians to give up enrichment or accept a 20 year freeze (basically giving it up). And she said the Iranians didn’t accept and maybe they would consider it once they returned to Tehran and began deliberating.

Somehow this got spun into: Iranians will consider giving up enrichment to manipulate the markets.

 

[ShapurII]

Sepah is not a singular entity and commanders have differing viewpoints on how to wage this war. Vahidi (one of the most hardline commanders) doesn’t have absolute power.

Mojtaba and his surrounding circle has to take into account the powerful factions and wealthy families that run the country.

More war wouldn’t change realities on the ground. That a settlement has to happen. So far the U.S. hasn’t budged.

My only fault on Iran would be allowing Saudi Arabia to keep 7MBPD oil production running and not attacking it more directly during the war and not closing the Bab Al Mandeb strait via the Houthi’s. Iran keeping this card and not using it was a bit surprising.

Without this further pressure on Trump it will delay what he ultimately needs to realize that the zero enrichment zero missile zero proxy deal that he wants just won’t happen.

I prob see Iran agreeing to a freeze on enrichment for the rest of Trump’s term (~3 years).

The smart thing to do would be delaying any shipping of the HEU to Russia UNTIL the date Iran is able to restart large scale uranium enrichment. In the meantime it would be down blended to 20%. Iran needs to protect itself from the next administration coming in and trying to prevent Iran from restarting enrichment like we saw with the arms embargo and sunset clauses in JCPOA.

This is no longer 2013. We are not dealing with Obama. Trump wants his demands 100%, as he said it yesterday. Not 90%, not 95%, but all of it.

Iran even accepted a 10 year freeze apparently, but it wasn't enough. I think a 3-year freeze is reasonable, but the US is not going to accept that. They believe Iran is on the verge of collapse and they are not going to stop their pressure now. Whether it's true or not, we will see.

As I said before, there is no scenario that a non-nuclear Islamic Republic would remain in power. I still stand by this. It is only a matter of time to overthrow the Islamic Republic, unless Iran achieves nuclear deterrence and plays the madman like it did during the first days of war. The only thing that kept the Islamic Republic in power this time was our unpredictable moves. If we return to our old policies like before the war, we're done.

 

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Losers. The West is all BS about freedom of speech!!

 

[Homajon]

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I knew that all since a very very long time...

 

[ShapurII]

Even France and the UK who tried to stay away from the heat are now talking about a coalition to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. But people still want to say that ceasefire was a good idea.

 

[Immortals]

This is no longer 2013. We are not dealing with Obama. Trump wants his demands 100%, as he said it yesterday. Not 90%, not 95%, but all of it.

You don’t negotiate for 21 hours if the deal is the same deal from May 2025.

What is clear is that there was a separate deal being negotiated that progressed to a MoU level and then Trump torpedoed it in the final hour, likely due to the fact that Iran didn’t agree with him “jointly” controlling the strait. The subsequent blockade provides credence to this theory of mine.

As everyone knows, Trump needs to be personally involved and included in any major agreements as we saw with his Board of Peace.

Iran even accepted a 10 year freeze apparently, but it wasn't enough.

I haven’t seen that reported by any credible source.

As I said before, there is no scenario that a non-nuclear Islamic Republic would remain in power. I still stand by this. It is only a matter of time to overthrow the Islamic Republic, unless Iran achieves nuclear deterrence and plays the madman like it did during the first days of war.

Well you also said Reza Pahlavi was the only alternative before the war began and we see how wrong that analysis was.

So for now I cannot take your dire warnings seriously. I do agree on the need to be vigilant to avoid a 2015 JCPOA like disaster. But at this point we can only watch and see what they agree to. There won’t be a deal that will completely satisfy the Iranians or the Americans, and that’s the point, that’s what a compromise is.

Given what I am seeing out of Iran, I have lowered my confidence that they are sprinting to a nuclear bomb. There maybe elements of this within the IRGC unbeknownst to Mojtaba and the SNSC, but I don’t think it’s a priority.

 

[SABRE]

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I knew that all since a very very long time...

Unfortunately, many of us are unable to comprehend Farsi beyond certain words. Care to translate it for us?

 

[FUB]

Just remember, when you wake up, there are only 2.8 years left.

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[Watandar]

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I knew that all since a very very long time...

What was said in this clip ? Most people here don't speak Farsi.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Even France and the UK who tried to stay away from the heat are now talking about a coalition to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. But people still want to say that ceasefire was a good idea.

They are explicitly only considering a coalition after the war ends and have made clear they won’t be part of Trump’s blockade

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[SaadH]

You should never have forced the Israeli cancer into the middle east, they have caused endless chaos and conflict

White anglo saxon western european traditional anti-semitic thinking was to push them out of Europe and let them create endless chaos and conflict in ME rather than heartland of NA/Europe. But they left their flanks open and let the zionist cancer completely take over their whole system. Now they haven't fully left and continue to create chaos and conflict all over the globe on the backs of the Western European domination of the global affairs and colonial legacy.

 

[Starlord]

Just remember, when you wake up, there are only 2.8 years left.

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why would he post a picture posing as a Doctor? is he a secret Doctor? does he have a Doctorate Degree ? or some other medical degree ? Trump is mentally challenged and he is currently leading a powerful country with the most powerful military with nuclear weapons, its like a nightmare coming to life.

 

[prokhorudro]

Iran should break ceasefire, to avoid getting blocked and overpowered

 

[FUB]

You don’t negotiate for 21 hours if the deal is the same deal from May 2025.

What is clear is that there was a separate deal being negotiated that progressed to a MoU level and then Trump torpedoed it in the final hour, likely due to the fact that Iran didn’t agree with him “jointly” controlling the strait. The subsequent blockade provides credence to this theory of mine.

As everyone knows, Trump needs to be personally involved and included in any major agreements as we saw with his Board of Peace.



I haven’t seen that reported by any credible source.



Well you also said Reza Pahlavi was the only alternative before the war began and we see how wrong that analysis was.

So for now I cannot take your dire warnings seriously. I do agree on the need to be vigilant to avoid a 2015 JCPOA like disaster. But at this point we can only watch and see what they agree to. There won’t be a deal that will completely satisfy the Iranians or the Americans, and that’s the point, that’s what a compromise is.

Given what I am seeing out of Iran, I have lowered my confidence that they are sprinting to a nuclear bomb. There maybe elements of this within the IRGC unbeknownst to Mojtaba and the SNSC, but I don’t think it’s a priority.

It has nothing to do with Trump. He is an actor, just like the rest of the so-called successful billionaires. Mark Zuckerberg did not build FB in his college dorm. Jeff Epstein was not a Wall Street banker. Sergey Brin did not invent Google; the CIA did.
If the CIA came and said, "We offer free email and cloud storage," no one would sign up.
It is now clear as day that the real capital is in Tel Aviv and the US is the vassal Northern province. They do not even try to hide it anymore.

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