Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasn2009]

 

[hasn2009]

 

[hasn2009]

Just build the damn bomb so the world can go back to normal!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That ship likely left China before the war even started assuming a 45-60 day transit.

Precursor fuels for liquid fuel missiles still requires the infrastructure to process the fuels and the ability to produce the rocket motor engines and gyroscopes and other component assembly. It’s possible Iran has some underground workshops, but large scale missile production is likely severely hampered. Unless this fuel is merely to be used on existing liquid fuel missiles hulls that have been produced pre-war.

Then there is the solid fuel side of things. Without the solid fuel mixers and casting pits, it seems unlikely iran will be able to build solid fuel or quasi solid fuel missiles in the short term, solid fuel which makes up its entire SRBM arsenal and a few of their MRBM arsenal (Haj Qassem missile, Sejil 2, and Keyibar Shekan, Fattah 1).

In short, iran will not be able replenish any significant missiles in next 2-4 weeks or even 2 months. It will likely take months for Iran to rebuild the infrastructure and important the industrial equipment (from China) to restart large scale missile production. In the meantime, some small quantities could be produced by workshops located in underground missiles bases using equipment and fuel reserves specially prepared for war time.

The US is also running on low ammunition thanks to China's rare earth sanction.

Do you know why Trump has switched from the initial ground invasion to a maritime blockade? Because he is also afraid of massive military casualties.

Iran doesn't need to be pessimistic, since China's fate is now bound with Iran.

China initially didn't want the war, but the war is looking for China.

Just like Iran, China now has the ministry of national defense in charge over the ministry of foreign affairs.

 

[KAL-EL]

Indonesia a spineless country

Indonesia has the mighty Komodo dragon

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China faces a difficult choice between potentially escalating the conflict through military action to protect its energy imports, provide Iran with anti ship missiles or accepting the disruption of its trade routes, which could weaken its influence and security. The most likely scenario is china retaliates against US blockade through economic means.

They are coming after China, so it is not a difficult decision about what China should do.

 

[ToddE]

Here is a wild theory

Other countries are acting normal for their place including US, Israel, EU etc like how powers have acted throughout times of history but IRI's Mullah government is retarded enough to not understand anything, they are trying to survive on talks and perception of peace.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It is strange that the US has imposed a total naval blockade on Iran during a ceasefire and IRI has not responded at all, preferring to continue negotiations and pretend the blockade does not exist.

But it does. And Israel has not accepted a ceasefire in Lebanon (though it has stopped bombing Beirut).

When the first reports of negotiations came out, Iranian officials denied it strongly. But now we see that Trump was telling the truth, and our Iranian officials were openly lying to us, and many messages were being exchanged with the enemy through intermediaries behind the scenes.

 

[Bengal71]

He is describing these concession Iran offered with pride as if it's some kind of great policy by Iran. It was a defeatist policy to have offered those concessions.

 

[Ali_Baba]

China faces a difficult choice between potentially escalating the conflict through military action to protect its energy imports, provide Iran with anti ship missiles or accepting the disruption of its trade routes, which could weaken its influence and security. The most likely scenario is china retaliates against US blockade through economic means.

It comes down to whether China is prepared to accept restrictions in its affairs with third countries because of restrictions imposed by the USA or not.

 

[PakAl]

They are coming after China, so it is not a difficult decision about what China should do.

Usa will somehow turn the world against China or blackmail them in to it, at the moment Usa led world order is Usa South America, Canada EU Nato GCC Quad, India, Israel, these are the most powerful nations in the world. Usa is also making sure South America is rid of anti Usa forces, same with the middleeast. Militarily they cannot fight China but they control the world so can choke China economy, impose trade sanctions, at the moment it will be difficult but they can in the future once the Usa led order moves away from middleeast/South America in to Asia.

China is meanwhile quietly building itself for the 21st century, enough development/progress/military to keep China safe throughout the 21st century but that is not enough, the war is coming to China. China must build strategic military economy trade relations with others and counter the western led order or face the consequences. But the big issue is most powerful nations in the world are with the Usa. I always thought Russia and China will make Iran the redline and make sure west does not cross over, Iran is also part of SCO.

 

[Aziqbal]

Pakistan is trying hard

And Israel is trying hare start it

Pakistan has the more difficult job

Pakistan must defeat Israel diplomatically

 

[BHAN85]

USA elite is using USA state as good cop and Israel state as bad cop, fooling Iran.

I think Israel state is destined to be used as scapegoat of world economy bankrupt.

Last two almost successful negotiations with Iran ended with Israel attacking and USA following Israel. So what's the point of negotiate with USA? Better negotiate with Israel .

Anyway, negotiations wont stop Iran war because Israel rabid dog will bite again and again and again.

But it could be useful for Iran to get some money from the American whore (USA state) and make stronger the next war, what is something wished by USA ruling elite.

So negotiations wont stop next war, but it could give more resources to Iran, if it goes fast enough before next Israel provocation against Iran.

 

[hussain0216]

It is strange that the US has imposed a total naval blockade on Iran during a ceasefire and IRI has not responded at all, preferring to continue negotiations and pretend the blockade does not exist.

But it does. And Israel has not accepted a ceasefire in Lebanon (though it has stopped bombing Beirut).

When the first reports of negotiations came out, Iranian officials denied it strongly. But now we see that Trump was telling the truth, and our Iranian officials were openly lying to us, and many messages were being exchanged with the enemy through intermediaries behind the scenes.

Its a war

The blockade of the Hormuz hurts the world economy, as long as Iran can send oil it gets both revenue and the ability to sustain the blockade for many many months, badly hurting the world economy


So this current U.S plan is trying to force the Hormuz to open by blocking Iranian oil, so Iran is forced to open the Hormuz and agree to terms

Its a siege


Currently Iran is ok, it has hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in tankers in the open sea heading to destinations

Iran will also have a limited capacity to store oil before it has to stop



So their is I reckon a two week window where Iran will wait it out

Everyday the Hormuz is blocked the GCC suffer and the world economy suffers and of you remove Iranian and GCC oil then the world has a problem

Economic sabotage is the real weapon for Iran, not missiles


Iran needs to keep holding out
It needs to demand payment from tankers to fix its economy and damaged infrastructure

And it needs to prepare it's missiles and drones for round two if needs be

 

[Aziqbal]

Its a war

The blockade of the Hormuz hurts the world economy, as long as Iran can send oil it gets both revenue and the ability to sustain the blockade for many many months, badly hurting the world economy


So this current U.S plan is trying to force the Hormuz to open by blocking Iranian oil, so Iran is forced to open the Hormuz and agree to terms

Its a siege


Currently Iran is ok, it has hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in tankers in the open sea heading to destinations

Iran will also have a limited capacity to store oil before it has to stop



So their is I reckon a two week window where Iran will wait it out

Everyday the Hormuz is blocked the GCC suffer and the world economy suffers and of you remove Iranian and GCC oil then the world has a problem

Economic sabotage is the real weapon for Iran, not missiles


Iran needs to keep holding out
It needs to demand payment from tankers to fix its economy and damaged infrastructure

And it needs to prepare it's missiles and drones for round two if needs be

All it’s takes is one attack and Pakistans job is ruined

Iran has defeated Israel militarily

Pakistan needs to defeat Israel in diplomacy

Pakistans job is much harder than Israel

Because all is has to do is drop one bomb