Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

In my conspiracy mode: If the Iranians don't even attend the upcoming Islamabad Talks starting about 36+ hours from now then the Iranians know they hold too many cards to just accept a ceasefire. They would want some Grand Bargain involving the entire Middle East--and they should. Or-- and that's where the conspiracy mode gets really wild: The three-day stay of the Pakistani Army Chief General Munir is leading Iran to a very hard line in this conflict. I don't think the Americans can trust the Pakistanis! The trust bridges were burned.

I suppose there are still parts of the Islamic republic system that haven't gone full retarded and understand that as soon as their nuclear stockpile is out of Iran, it's over for them. The clock will start ticking for their demise.

So, it's not about some Grand Bargain, but rather their instinct for survival. They have had plenty of examples to learn from throughout the years. Saddam, Ghaddafi, even Bashar al-Assad after he destroyed his chemical weapons, etc.

You can see two different paths that the enemies of the US have taken. The path of people like Saddam, Ghaddafi and Assad, and the path of Kim Jung Un. And you can see which path failed and which one succeeded.

 

[Meengla]

I suppose there are still parts of the Islamic republic system that haven't gone full retarded and understand that as soon as their nuclear stockpile is out of Iran, it's over for them. The clock will start ticking for their demise.
So, it's not about some Grand Bargain, but rather their instinct for survival. They have had plenty of examples to learn from throughout the years. Saddam, Ghaddafi, even Bashar al-Assad after he destroyed his chemical weapons, etc.
You can see two different paths that the enemies of the US have taken. The path of people like Saddam, Ghaddafi and Assad, and the path of Kim Jung Un. And you can see which path failed and which one succeeded.

You either build a nuke or you don't. The Fatwa was stupid. Iran has no credible path left to build a nuke under its circumstances which would reliably reach all the way to Israel. And I dare say, neither does Pakistan unless Pakistan's nuclear capable missiles are well protected and much closer to Israel then they are now in Pakistan.

 

[ShapurII]

You either build a nuke or you don't. The Fatwa was stupid. Iran has no credible path left to build a nuke under its circumstances which would reliably reach all the way to Israel. And I dare say, neither does Pakistan unless Pakistan's nuclear capable missiles are well protected and much closer to Israel then they are now in Pakistan.

Reliably reaching Israel is the easiest part of it. It already exists. It has existed for more than a decade. Acquiring fissile material in the metal form is the bottleneck at the moment.

 

[Meengla]

Reliably reaching Israel is the easiest part of it. It already exists. It has existed for more than a decade. Acquiring fissile material in the metal form is the bottleneck at the moment.

From what I can tell, Iran has not been able to as much damage to Israel in this conflict of 40 days as was done in the June 2025's 12 day war. Israelis were well prepared this time.
Even Pakistan, if it starts a nuclear posture against Israel, would see the Israelis+Americans+Indians activated at once.

 

[Immortals]

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[ShapurII]

From what I can tell, Iran has not been able to as much damage to Israel in this conflict of 40 days as was done in the June 2025's 12 day war. Israelis were well prepared this time.
Even Pakistan, if it starts a nuclear posture against Israel, would see the Israelis+Americans+Indians activated at once.

We don't know that yet. There are no satellite photos to show where Iranian missiles have landed.
Anyway, that's not the issue here. Iran has had the capability to build missiles with nuclear-capable RVs lifting 2 tons to Israel for quite some time. And we have plenty of missile cities to launch them if push comes to shove.

 

[Meengla]

We don't know that yet. There are no satellite photos to show where Iranian missiles have landed.
Anyway, that's not the issue here. Iran has had the capability to build missiles with nuclear-capable RVs lifting 2 tons to Israel for quite some time. And we have plenty of missile cities to launch them if push comes to shove.

Yes, conventional missiles.
Reliable nuclear missiles able to hit Israel that long distance is a different matter. As I said, even a nearly 3 decade long nuclear power like Pakistan is unsure unless Pakistan gets a foothold in the Arabian Penninsula, which it seems like finally getting with the deployments in Saudi Arabia and that's going to only increase.

 

[Mero]

One needs very high IQ to understand such a Kafkaesque repertoire.

The Truth hurts. Gatekeeper.

 

[ShapurII]

Yes, conventional missiles.
Reliable nuclear missiles able to hit Israel that long distance is a different matter. As I said, even a nearly 3 decade long nuclear power like Pakistan is unsure unless Pakistan gets a foothold in the Arabian Penninsula, which it seems like finally getting with the deployments in Saudi Arabia and that's going to only increase.

I don't know about Pakistan's missile capabilities. So, I will not comment on that. But from the scientific aspect of it, there is no difference between a conventional ballistic missile that lifts 2 tons of weight to Israel at a hypersonic speed and a nuclear missile.

If your re-entry vehicle can tolerate high-G maneuvers, extreme heat caused by the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds, and it can accommodate a heavy, large warhead inside it, you're good to go. The only remaining thing is the trigger which is mainly a problem of electronics for the most part and Iran has been working with such triggers for decades.

 

[Immortals]

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[Mero]

@baqai, why am I being reprimanded because of this sellout (@Persian Gulf)? He is fucking obsessed with my posts. This sellout spent his entire time covering, obfuscating facts, and kept putting his thumb on the scale in favor of the child-killing cowards during and after the June war. He was busy deleting and banning members who were sharing facts and other points of view, which turned out to be the correct assessment.

99% of popular forums are run by the stupidity agencies. I was on a gold forum and it was run by freemasons and the anti-defamation league. Tavistock controls the narrative in the UK, it is their hasbara.

 

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[Shags101]

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One minute it’s wide one minute it’s big I’m going with the gaps are very huge Iran is sticking to its guns they have the straits and if trump tries to take the straits it’s going to be messy and extremely time consuming it can’t be just a partial control like they takeover parts of the coast or kharg or whatever they would have to be able to pacify all of Iran within hundreds of miles and the only troops available are Arabs will they fight for Israel let’s see

 

[TopGun786]

Wonderful!
Speaking of 'Tilism e Hoshruba' from my childhood. So there was a mosque close to my house in Karachi, which had a seminary where foreign scholars would study and reside. I was maybe 10-12 years old and I met one scholar reading the original THICK text of the Tilism e Hoshruba book; he was trying to improve his Urdu. I think he spoke broken Urdu. I had probably read the abridged / easier version of that series but got fascinated by the original book in his hands. I asked him if I could borrow that. It was a precious copy and he said 'Please bring your dad along with you to make that request'.
Some days later my dad accompanied me and we met that scholar. He was white--maybe from some Middle Eastern country. Long story short, my dad assured him that I would not damage the book nor was I some thief! I got the book but it was too difficult to follow for someone not versed in Urdu like that. After some days, I returned the book to the scholar. I still remember that and so when I see Farsi Tweets here it reminds me of that experience.

I know it's off topic but Urdu we read and spoke in my childhood (I am 42 years old, from AJK) is a lot of different than the Urdu that was read and spoken back then. Original Urdu had a lot and lot of Persian words. Sadly, the Urdu we know now a days is just an ugly mixture of English and especially hindi words (kids watch too many hindi cartoons and reels).
Well, i hope mods don't get angry with me. I will end it here. Now back to the topic.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

You either build a nuke or you don't. The Fatwa was stupid. Iran has no credible path left to build a nuke under its circumstances which would reliably reach all the way to Israel. And I dare say, neither does Pakistan unless Pakistan's nuclear capable missiles are well protected and much closer to Israel then they are now in Pakistan.

Iran has the know-how visavis uranium enrichment. Most importantly, they have a new young supreme leader who us reported to be in the same view as the most hardline members in the IRGC. And that comes down to where there is a will, there is a way.

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over 1000 homes in Tel Aviv severely damaged or destroyed by Iranian missiles

$17.5 billion of war damages

This figure does not include the damage suffered by their military and other govt-owned facilities; only civilian properties.