Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

They will collude when they can and genocide their neighbours like napolean when they need to as well. But I have no doubt the French want to see USA power decline so they can be the leader of Europe (not USA).

Right. The French have a major axe to grind against 'the Anglos'.

@BHAN85 : Europeans have shown very little interest in materially supporting this war on Iran. Even the UK PM had said 'not our war'. What support Europeans show are mostly symbolic/diplomatic and that too because of trade/commerce benefits they get from America. There is no 'West' as a collective in this war. The leaders of Europe would be answerable to their respective citizens for any body bags coming to their shores from this war on Iran, which now most of the world blames on Israel and its surrogates in America.

It is about time people stop using 'the West' too casually. Europe is part of Eurasia and they are increasingly waking up to that.

 

[p200]

Israel is a military outpost for them, as long as Israel survives the west will keep controlling/meddling in the middleeast, if Israel ends they will loose middleeast for centuries. By the way if Israel ends bye bye to Saudis, Uae, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait.

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Israel is a military outpost for the US. At the same time I do not think Israel is necessary for them to have an outpost. In my opinion America would have a much easier time putting outposts in Arab land if they were not supporting Israel, and instead framed it as supporting X or Y arab country.

Zionism started in the 1800's and Israel was originally backed by the UK. Jews, or perhaps Frankist Jews, modified the Bible and brainwashed generations of Americans into believing Jews are superior and that Israel must be supported at all costs.

I used to think of American wars in the Mid East as secular, now all of this seems to be directly caused by Christian/Jewish extremism.

 

[BHAN85]

Right. The French have a major axe to grind against 'the Anglos'.

@BHAN85 : Europeans have shown very little interest in materially supporting this war on Iran. Even the UK PM had said 'not our war'. What support Europeans show are mostly symbolic/diplomatic and that too because of trade/commerce benefits they get from America. There is no 'West' as a collective in this war. The leaders of Europe would be answerable to their respective citizens for any body bags coming to their shores from this war on Iran, which now most of the world blames on Israel and its surrogates in America.

It is about time people stop using 'the West' too casually. Europe is part of Eurasia and they are increasingly waking up to that.

France says one thing publicly to people and another thing privately to Trump...

And leaked message of Macron about "We can do great things on Iran" was confirmed as real by France after the leak.

We must be grateful to Trump ego because it allows to know things that we would never know without him, about how real power and international relations work.

That information is thousand times more interesting than any empty public diplomatic statement.

 

[Meengla]

France says one thing publicly to people and another thing privately to Trump...
And leaked message of Macron about "We can do great things on Iran" was confirmed as real by France after the leak.

You read too much into the butt kissing various world leaders to do Trump; they just want to be on the 'good side' of Trump for trade/commerce reasons. Even Pakistan nominated Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize; a pathetic joke meant to acquire some loans and weaponry but has worked. But now there is a nascent campaign to discredit Pakistan in front of the Americans. Countries far away like Japan also show 'solidarity' with the Americans and countries after countries condemn Iran for closing the Hormuz. But it is the actions which count--not the words!

Let me know if/when France or other European countries shed blood in the war on Iran. Not going to happen when even Americans don't want to shed their own blood.

 

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[PakAl]

USA is happy with Libya paradigm of ruling, modern technology (like electronic remote espionage) makes possible extract resources in the middle of chaos, things like well armed Israel or richness in GCC are no longer needed. And decrease oil production it guarantees future supply for the strongest (USA)

But its also about controlling the region, making sure no independent powerful Islamic nation rises, this is why extremism is spread all over the muslim world, new sects are promoted etc, in order to keep Muslims fighting each other. Making your enemies divided and weak is their long term policy.

 

[tsunset]

If that easy, probably would have been tried by now. Regardless, that would be a quick way of giving Trump the mortal high ground.

It hasn't been tried because of the devastating retaliation that would ensue

Not because its not easy or not doable

I think if Iran's existence is threatened its possible that this happens

 

[FUB]

Interesting.

 

[Meengla]

Interesting.

One has to question decisions made by some spiritual leader which become the final word in international politics. Iranians seem like brilliant tactical negotiators but not so good strategic thinkers. And thus they are being helped by the brilliant Pakistani diplomacy for Iran and the regions well being.

 

[Aryan_B]

Israel definitely has nukes. Don't be an idiot.

Out of all recognised Nuclear nations Israel is the only one that has not carried out a test on its soil. Why do you think that is?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

According to videos released by open-source intelligence accounts, a large number of U.S. military refueling aircraft have been spotted parked on the runway at Ben Gurion Airport near Tel Aviv, Israel. The aircraft types include KC-135 and KC-46.
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According to Kan News, Israel and the United States have completed preparations for restarting the war and are waiting for Trump's final decision.
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Old news. Those aircraft have been there for weeks now.

 

[KingQamaR]

81 days in and there is still no clear goal or plan.

 

[Michael]

LOL.

I suggest Michael Bay title this movie *The Rock: Iran 2026*. It would surely be spectacular.

 

[KAL-EL]

It hasn't been tried because of the devastating retaliation that would ensue

Not because its not easy or not doable

I think if Iran's existence is threatened its possible that this happens

Exactly! There will be devastating retaliation.

 

[Desert]

LOL.

I suggest Michael Bay title this movie *The Rock: Iran 2026*. It would surely be spectacular.

They should make a movie about Juba sniper, they used to show his videos here , was a great sniper , killed hundreds of american soldiers.