Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

MS Sandhu said:
Finally the war is ending.hopefully this is a way to long lasting peace in the region.
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No, Iran should control the Strait of Hormuz and demand war reparations from PGCC states. If PGCC rejects war raparations, then regional war should continue (soon).

If Iran doesn't set an example this time, then just like during Iran-Saddam war these PGCC slaves will again find some evil force to support against Iran. It was Saddam in the past and Trump currently and who knows who they will support against Iran in the future.
 
shapurzolaktaf said:
No, Iran should control the Strait of Hormuz and demand war reparations from PGCC states. If PGCC rejects war raparations, then regional war should continue (soon).

If Iran doesn't set an example this time, then just like during Iran-Saddam war these PGCC slaves will again find some evil force to support against Iran. It was Saddam in the past and Trump currently and who knows who they will support against Iran in the future.
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This isn't a bad idea honestly. Full subjugation of them will only do the trick. Most Pakistanis here are old enough to remember how they were willing partners in the invasion of Iraq in 2003. The fact that Iran went kinetic against the regional traitors was the only policy left when Iran's back was put up against the wall.

Someone earlier said why did Iran chose to get involved with the entity - well the entity started this war against the Muslims pre- 9/11 by planning the take-down of the middle east via the "Clean Break Policy." They wanted to destroy the Islamic countries so the entity can expand without any push-back. Iran wanted to play nice but the non-Muslims had other ideas.

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Wikipedia

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Master Chief said:
Such a meaningless flex. Yes we have always stood with China and they are a major source of arms for us, but someone still has to deploy and use those arms!

Take a look at Newcastle Utd and Manchester City. They're both funded by sugar daddy Arabs but only one club can boast of any genuine success in utilising those funds.
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Cataphrace's statement does not make any sense.

The vast majority of countries in the world purchase weapons. It is not that China provided these weapons to Pakistan; this is normal military cooperation. Pakistan bought these weapons, and Pakistan has full rights to use them.

Your view is correct. The performance of weapons depends on the skill of the user.

India obtained advanced weapons but did not utilize their performance. The Director General of Public Relations of the Pakistan Air Force, Air Marshal Aurangzeb Ahmad, said: As you can see, I am not saying that the Rafale is a bad aircraft; in fact, Rafale is a powerful fighter jet. If used properly and well, it can achieve significant results. However, this is the way the Indian Air Force uses the Rafale.

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Pakistan Space Agency said:
Donald Trump went to China and returned empty handed, not a single deal was signed.

President Xi Jinping showed him around, and told him what a great country China is. He even showed him a 280-year old tree in China which was older than the US as a nation. 😂
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Trump asked, 'Can trees live this long?'

The Chinese leader said that there are even older ones, over a thousand years old.

Trump did not sign any agreements during his visit, but many cooperation intentions were reached.

Of course, these intentions for cooperation require Trump to demonstrate America's sincerity.

After visiting China, Trump said in an interview with Fox News: 'I don't want to see anyone in Taiwan trying to move toward independence. I don't want anyone saying "America supports us, we can move toward independence."' He repeatedly emphasized that if the U.S. supports Taiwan, we might have to go 9,500 miles to fight a war, and he does not want that.

However, these statements cannot prove America's sincerity. We need to observe America's actions and then decide whether to pursue cooperation.
 
Meengla said:
This war is wrapping up and would be sad if I am proven wrong but that is my understanding. And I'd repeat that Iran is going to come out ahead from this war.
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It looks like "Israelis" through UAE are onto something. But if Pentagon's opposition supersedes that of Netanyahu, then it is doubtful that they ("Israel" and UAE) can do something on their end.

That being said, the Neocons are still pushing for this conflict. So it remains to be seen what they will do if this deal goes through.
 
Flotilla said:
Probably from all Middle East, yes. Call it "dead" or better said "wiped out".
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I believe this is a serious injury. The United States will continue to bleed from this severe wound until it dies.

My basis is that this war has driven up the interest rates on U.S. dollar debt. For example, as of May 20, the 20-year bond had a winning bid rate of 5.122%. Currently, 23% of U.S. government revenue is needed to pay interest on dollar debt. This amount already exceeds the defense budget. Moreover, such a high proportion of interest burden is creating a vicious cycle.

Due to economic deterioration and the energy crisis, many countries have begun to sell off U.S. Treasuries. For instance, Turkey's U.S. Treasury holdings fell from $16 billion to $1.8 billion. Japan reduced its holdings by $47.7 billion in March. This will further push up U.S. Treasury interest rates.

Many countries have started repatriating gold from the U.S. For example, France, Turkey, Poland, the Netherlands, and India. Serbia, Italy, Hungary, Nigeria, and other countries have announced similar plans or have already taken concrete actions. This movement weakens the global reserve currency status of the dollar, proving the world's concern about the risks of the U.S. dollar system.

Indeed, the fact is that the U.S. dollar system faces serious risks. If the United States used its entire annual fiscal revenue to repay dollar debt, it would take about 7 to 8 years. If all U.S. tariff revenue were used to repay dollar debt, it would take 120 years. Moreover, the U.S. government has always delayed the dollar debt crisis by borrowing new money to pay off old debts, and successive U.S. administrations have had no intention of resolving the dollar debt.

The cost of the U.S. launching this aggressive war is enormous. This war has increased the risk of the dollar system and accelerated the collapse timeline of the dollar system. ...
 
Eşbah said:
At best it's a tie. Personally, I see the scale slightly tilting in favor of the US.
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Disagree.


1) Failed regime change: Even after the U.S. blew up Iran's high command and killed Khamenei, the government didn't cave. Instead, an even more hardline leader who lost his dad, wife and daughter, from these airstrikes, took over.

2) Nuclear program and Uranium stockpile still intact: The main reason the U.S. started this whole thing was to destroy Iran's nuclear program. Yet despite everything that was thrown at Iran, the uranium is buried too deep underground, and now Iran has a massive excuse to actually build to protect their program and stockpile.

3) Proxies Network: Sure, the U.S. had quite a lot of successful operations smashing their equipments. But groups like Hezbollah, Iraqi militias, and the Houthis are still there. Hezbollah is still hurting Israel even as we discuss here.

4) Strait of Hormuz: Iran choked it so bad that it is affecting the world's economy. If US was so confident about reopening it, they would have at least taken one of the islands. Yet they couldn't and they are literally stuck there. Oh and thjsenergy crisis is worse than the 1970s and 2022 combined. Not exactly a stalemate here when this operation is a double edge sword when your own oil and gas prices skyrocket so badly that you are now hated even more in America.


5) Ammunition Depletion: burned through so many expensive ammunitions that USA may not even be able to have enough defence weapons to protect yourself in the next war with Iran, let alone defend other areas against China or Russia. Strategic victory for Iran in the next war while it still uses cheap drones and ballistic missiles which is still intact among its underground bases.

6) Alienated Allies: Trump basically jumped into this without telling its allies, and then got mad when they didn't want to help. The economic damage and mess have left America looking bad on the global stage.


I don't see how this is even a strategic victory for US let alone marginally winning this war. This war is not over yet, but mind you Iran have practically won round 2. I would even say the scale is balance if they can achieve back 2 out of the 6 here to pre-war status.
 
Eşbah said:
At best it's a tie. Personally, I see the scale slightly tilting in favor of the US.



Bro, Washington needs three things right now:

1. peace and calm in preparation for the World Cup,
2. a reduction in gas prices for the midterm elections,
3. and the replenishment of expended ammunition.

These are the three primary motivations for the United States to enter into any agreement at this moment.

Trump's presidency will officially conclude in nearly 1000 days. He has ample time to reignite the conflict - and he certainly will, without a doubt.
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Iran has gained a valuable experience in this conflict and the one that took place in June 2025. It is doubtful that the Pentagon that prevailed over Trump in this instance - provided the current deal is enacted - will allow another round of fighting.

America has changed, and there is a massive opposition to overseas wars, particularly those wars championed by "Israel".
 
🚨I asked a senior Iranian official for comment on the current state of the Iran war negotiations. They sent the following statement:

“We are very close to reaching and signing an agreement to end the war, and today’s constructive negotiating approach has made the prospect of peace in the region highly attainable.

“We recognize that President Trump is now faced with an important political decision — one that must balance the interests of the United States, regional countries, and respect for Iran’s fundamental rights. Should this agreement ultimately be achieved, the international community will commend all negotiating parties for their role in advancing stability and peace.

“At the same time, Israel is currently undertaking its final extensive efforts and applying considerable pressure to disrupt the formation of this agreement. We hope that the U.S. administration will make its decision independently of external influence and in favor of the broader collective interests of all parties involved.”


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Hassan Al-Somal said:
It looks like "Israelis" through UAE are onto something. But if Pentagon's opposition supersedes that of Netanyahu, then it is doubtful that they ("Israel" and UAE) can do something on their end.
That being said, the Neocons are still pushing for this conflict. So it remains to be seen what they will do if this deal goes through.
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There would not have been the Ceasefire in the second week of April; that was brokered by Pakistan and from credible Pakistani sources, the Americans 'begged' for the Ceasefire then.
One day we will find out about the Isfahan 'rescue' raid and the multiple downed American jets during that raid. My educated guess is that Iran had/has far more air defenses then given credit for and thus the Ceasefire happened.
Americans have a long history of walking away from dead end wars. This country is pretty self sufficient to absorb geopolitical losses.
 
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