Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BananaRepublic]

US "strategy" is a mix of continuous hit and run attacks combined with blockade of Hormuz and sanctions.

Their plan is to this for months/years (creating a normalcy) before delivering a final blow, if not, to cause civil war.

Iran should prevent and disrupt this strategy by hitting back 2x harder and mopping regional US bases: Attack, analyze the damage, attack the remains/intact parts again until all these bases are 100% destroyed.

Meanwhile Keep Hormuz closed and destroy the economies of the PGCC slaves.

The big flaw with this plan is that it is a slow death for their client states.

These clients states cannot survive a decade of low attrition war - their shiny glass buildings will be swallowed up by the desert without constant maintenance.

And without oil revenue - they will be forced to sell US debt - piling even more pressure on USA.

Iran is a real country with real people - it can survive hardship.

Fake countries with fake citizens cannot survive without easy money and shiny glass buildings.

Trump cannot admin defeat in Iran the same way LBJ couldn’t admit defeat in Vietnam.

However, next President will wind it down quickly like Nixon did in Vietnam.

 

[KingQamaR]

You are getting me wrong here.

I agree that USA have suffered more than Iran. In fact, other than just military, it's a bruised ego combined with a strategic shift in geopolitics in the region where US loses its dominance.

But that doesn't mean they can't continue to harass Iran. They will continue to do that as they continue adapting in this warfare. Iran has to step up and plug the gap here to disallow US to continue carrying out it's strikes at will. The only way is to gain control of the escalation ladder and hurt US each time it decides to escalate. That way it would be too painful for them whereby they will be forced back to the negotiation table, and agree to Iran's terms.

I got to tip my cap to Iran. A lot of countries would have packed their bags and said it’s impossible to hit F-35 , reaper drones and other expensive aircraft’s. But they found a way to effect the battlefield against the strongest military in the world . Wow! They lost what took decades to build radars infrastructure in the Gulf. And reputations!

 

[BananaRepublic]

Not sure about Turks but the Kurds have repeatedly proven themselves the used condoms of the Mideast.

An ethnic group with no history of ever having a state wanting to build one with the help of crusaders.

Worked for the Jews because they are white and not Muslim.

Won’t work for Kurds because they are brown and Muslim.

Kurds need to accept it’s too late to have a state. History has passed them by…

Stop being useless idiots for the crusaders.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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why is Iran firing Emad MRBMs (1750km range) at targets 200-300km away (Kuwait)?

 

[Ali_Baba]

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why is Iran firing Emad MRBMs (1750km range) at targets 200-300km away (Kuwait)?

Either they are out of SRBM or they wanted to deliver a bigger warhead instead ? Or, maybe they have restored the manufacturing of the MRBM's and therefore are more comfortable using them?

 

[Shags101]

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why is Iran firing Emad MRBMs (1750km range) at targets 200-300km away (Kuwait)?

To show they can and still have the missiles to do so at anytime be it in the gulf or Israel

 

[Watandar]

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why is Iran firing Emad MRBMs (1750km range) at targets 200-300km away (Kuwait)?

There may be a shortage of SRBM's. Iran did expend a lot of material and suffered quite a lot of losses in the war. Some other members were questioning why Iran isn't able to hit US warships or GCC radar sites and the answer is probably the same, shortage of capable weapons.

 

[maverick]

it seems like these strikes from both sides will keep on happening till a major blow out..

 

[Immortals]

This kind of optimistic thinking is what Rouhani thought about the JCPOA. It is better to expect and prepare for the worst. And it doesn't have to be a US strike, it can be another Israeli attack which is supported by the US.

June 2025 - Israeli attack
February 2026 - Israeli/US attack

the threshold for war with Iran is much lower now. it is difficult to rebuild it. especially since Israel incurred far less damage this time than in June last year.

Has nothing to do with optimistic thinking and reality on the ground. Rouhani signed JCPOA in 2015 and war still didn’t come for another decade till an imbecile like Trump was able to come into power. And the war was a direct consequences of Khamenai Strategic Patience which he paid with his life alongside the other pacifist Nasrallah. Same philosophy and same outcome for both.

Iran has now had 2 rounds of war with Israel and U.S. In this latest one, the U.S. threw everything it had and in the end because it couldn’t achieve its objectives was attacking bridges and power plants out of fustration. Iran has learned a lot from this experience and it will take the U.S. years to rebuild its armament only to be able to stage another 30-60 day war.

And What are they gonna attack in 5 years? The remains of Natanz? The already defunct Fordow? Or The new nuclear program that is likely to be highly dispersed and underground in tiny facilities with the sole purpose of bomb generation and not fuel cycle?

The missile supply chain will be scattered even more and likely moved underground. Same for the drone production lines. Certain projects will get high priority development and the complacency that was the Hallmark of the Bagheri, Salami, Hajizadeh IRGCregime will not be tolerated under Vahidi. The war provided the opportunity for the system to cleanse itself and face reality.

So we shall see if your Debbie downer prophecy prevails, I suspect it will not. Iran will come out of this stronger and likely there will be a period of peace much longer than people expect.

The biggest threat to Iran has always been itself thru internal politics that manifests itself vis a vi the economy and social unrest.

 

[925boy]

I expect them to follow the same path now with regards to Iran for the next 10 to 20 years. To me the main Iranian challenge will be splitting the US from Israel, and if it can succeed there then there won't be any future war. Israel won't dare tackle Iran by itself.

US can't focus on Iran effectively over the next 10-20 years, because it will have to focus on the Asian Pacific situation - US and its allies will have to confront China over Taiwan, and based on US's low stamina while fighting Iran this year, im confident US won't be able to effectively fight or dismantle Iran in 10-20 years(excluding any special circumstances or realities ). US won't even have the financial power or privilege to handle more than 1 serious global conflict at a time. Ukraine started this chain reaction for US and its continuing...going from one disaster to another means US ends up probably exhausted and disoriented, and this isn't me being negative, it's me accepting US is a nation of mortals and defeat is thee evenvtual result of obsessive and impulsive imperialist nations.

 

[Yasser76]

He is right Kuwait is very very very stupid

And Bahrain is very very very stupid

UAE is very very very stupid

Who else shall we add Jordan, Saudi

Any dumb fcuker who thought they could trust the U.S, west and the Zionists


They are being mocked and humiliated from all sides, what honor do they have left?


Fix yourselves, quick

The Muslim world needs change and these idiots are standing in the way

Interesting that Iran has laid off Saudi and Qatar and their FM on record as saying both those countries are on the right side of history.

Kuwait, UAE and Bahrain are f**ked after any peace deal

 

[Meengla]

The war could be called Trump's personal war if his personal army fought it, but that was not the case- the US military fought Iran(using US govt money) in this war, but I can agree that the motivation or reasoning behind the initiation of the war was personal for Trump.

The cliches people use like 'There are no friendships in geopolitics but only the interests' or like 'every nation fights for its own interests' or 'everyone is free to make their own choice' or that 'war is unpredictable' or that 'water is wet' and similar tropes are said by totally soul-less people. I wonder if such people ever loved anyone, or felt fealty to anyone or any nation, or they know any emotions or even a sense of belongings.

This war could not have happened unless two very pro-war compatible people: Trump and Netanyahu were in the office in their respective countries at the same time. Not even a Neftali Bennet in Israel would have launched this war. So when I say this is a 'personal' war, I say that with full conviction and a conviction against the cliches guys who post here: This, I believe, is a personal war.

 

[PK781]

The big flaw with this plan is that it is a slow death for their client states.

These clients states cannot survive a decade of low attrition war - their shiny glass buildings will be swallowed up by the desert without constant maintenance.

And without oil revenue - they will be forced to sell US debt - piling even more pressure on USA.

Iran is a real country with real people - it can survive hardship.

Fake countries with fake citizens cannot survive without easy money and shiny glass buildings.

Trump cannot admin defeat in Iran the same way LBJ couldn’t admit defeat in Vietnam.

However, next President will wind it down quickly like Nixon did in Vietnam.

good analysis, but we're quite far from the americans getting a new president, and lately, they all have been fucked up morons.
I wouldn't hold much hope for them getting an anti-israeli leader anytime soon, its always zionist picked leader as they control america.

these gulf kinglets are pretty much done, all investment and tourists gone and its not looking good. Whoever invested there, has LOST the investment. There will be no buyers for that desert fake-nations

as u said, fake countries and fake citizens. All the false glitter and glamour has fast disappeared outta there. America continues to drain their economies fast.

 

[Jango007]

OT for a minute and we can discuss this in a separate thread, but Israel's real objectives at the Oslo negotiations 1993 were to transfer the security/administrative burden of the Occupation to a native Palestinian unit. The PLO, then in exile in Tunis and desperate to return , screwed up and accepted the very vague Israeli promises and then discovered later what the Israelis actually had meant. This led to the second Intifada in which Israel enforced its vision by beating the crap out of the Palestinians and killing most of the dissenting Palestinian leadership, including Arafat.

So PA that exists now is working as designed.

I so badly wish these thugs showed up in Scarborough near my high school ….. let’s just say they will never walk straight again .

 

[RedRock]

Vladimir Putin, at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, said that Russia did not supply weapons to Iran during the US-Iran war and that Tehran had not requested any.

Really dissappointed with Putin. After all that the US and NATO have done against his army in Ukraine you would think that he would support Iran all out. Buy alas he has turned out to be a traitor and untrustworthy ally. Russia can not be relied on at all to come to your support.

Considering the whole world is calling this war illegal and is against it you would think that Putin would have supplied enough equipment and intel allowing iran to sink a ship or two of the usa just like ukraine has done to them. But nothing!!! It's unbelievable. I feel the Russian Jews have Putin by his balls and he cannot piss without their permission.

Think about it. As much as Putin hates zelensky the dude is till alive. How is that even possible. You would think that the Russians would be able to kill him easily but they still have not managed to do so.

Give the iranians jets and s400/500 or even 300's, buk systems, helicopters, Jammers, awacs, anything man. But to just talk and not support them militarily will make the Russians lose their influence completely and allow the Chinese to take over. The Chinese will not provide outright military support whatsoever. Only financial, and that too with massive interest rates. But at the end of the day atleast they have supplied covertly more military equipment that the russians