Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Falcon29
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Does anybody believe a drone brought down a helicopter over the Strait of Hormuz ? Are there even helicopters deployed there? Probably not.
What's the primary motivation behind these strikes ?
What's the primary motivation behind these strikes ?
Bharatah
Registered Member
Attention: All the information posted here comes from US and Israeli sources, who have been caught lying several times. The US has already said that Iran no longer has aircraft, navy, or defense systems; now it claims to be attacking them, yet they were seen blowing up a water reservoir.
This is part of a media campaign, a war strategy, with control of media, social networks, paid bloggers,Twitter profiles and etc. There is already information (here in Brazil) that Trump will "declare total victory against Iran in two weeks," therefore another "victory narrative" is being constructed.
NOTE: I've said this many times and I'll repeat it: American military attacks are not aimed at destroying the enemy (exactly) but at generating a "victory narrative" (the attack is planned for the repercussions it will bring). The objective is to simulate strength to their audience and sell the idea that the adversary is weak or is weakening.
This is part of a media campaign, a war strategy, with control of media, social networks, paid bloggers,Twitter profiles and etc. There is already information (here in Brazil) that Trump will "declare total victory against Iran in two weeks," therefore another "victory narrative" is being constructed.
NOTE: I've said this many times and I'll repeat it: American military attacks are not aimed at destroying the enemy (exactly) but at generating a "victory narrative" (the attack is planned for the repercussions it will bring). The objective is to simulate strength to their audience and sell the idea that the adversary is weak or is weakening.
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Immortals
Elite Member
Rumor is more than one helicopter was hit, but only one went down. And the “drone” they talk about is likely a loitering munition.
US has attacked numerous speed boats so they finally attacked back.
But this current 3 wave attack response on Iran that has been going on for about 3 hours now, is certainly not proportional to 1 or 2 helicopters being attacked. Especially considering there were 0 pilots killed.
So once again, Iran will have a judgement call on if it wants to match the escalation ladder and gain deterrence or not.
Trumps recommendation to go all out seems to me like he isn’t too afraid of escalation. And Iran keeps accommodating him whenever he wants a ceasefire. Which only stiffens his resolve:
SolarWarden
Trusted Member
Stop calling them strikes!!! They are ceasefire still on ordinance placing....
Iran will respond when US aircraft are no longer in the AO.
Iran will respond when US aircraft are no longer in the AO.
hasssanali8998
Elite Member
Iran shot down an US drone near Jam , Busheher.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
The only proportionate response to an attack of this scale is to sink USN assets. But I won't hold my breath for that.
Anyway, as I said, the US can use any lame excuse to tilt the balance in Israel's favor again. All this talk about Trump disagreeing with Netanyahu is just bullshit. Israel has the unconditional support of the US and Trump 100% supports and agrees with Netanyahu's policies in the Middle East.
An apache helicopter does not justify a massive attack on this scale. Even Israel's attack on Iran was disproportionate and it killed 2 army personnel and targeted our infrastructure.
Now the ball is in our court. If we do not respond decisively, expect a ground invasion of Iran in the coming weeks or months, maybe even during the World Cup. After all, the initial US plan for attacking Iran was set to happen in late June originally.
Anyway, as I said, the US can use any lame excuse to tilt the balance in Israel's favor again. All this talk about Trump disagreeing with Netanyahu is just bullshit. Israel has the unconditional support of the US and Trump 100% supports and agrees with Netanyahu's policies in the Middle East.
An apache helicopter does not justify a massive attack on this scale. Even Israel's attack on Iran was disproportionate and it killed 2 army personnel and targeted our infrastructure.
Now the ball is in our court. If we do not respond decisively, expect a ground invasion of Iran in the coming weeks or months, maybe even during the World Cup. After all, the initial US plan for attacking Iran was set to happen in late June originally.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
Breaking through the air defense systems is not the main problem IMO. Quantity will always eventually beat quality, Iran just needs to fire more cruise missiles and drones to saturate their air defense systems. The problem is that Iran lacks the capability to target a moving object thousands of kilometers away. US aircraft carriers are very agile and fast for their tremendous size.
Garcia Sea
Registered Member
It has become clear that Epstein’s objective is to bind Iran with a false ceasefire while rendering it militarily and politically powerless. Just as Iraq was after the Gulf War, Iran—subjected to constant bombing, is rapidly weakening, and iri are allowing these indiscriminate airstrikes to continue.
The U.S. has now completely lost all restraint, having fully concluded that Iran lacks the courage to retaliate. If left unchecked, this will likely escalate to the establishment of no-fly zones in the south and Kurdish regions.
The U.S. has now completely lost all restraint, having fully concluded that Iran lacks the courage to retaliate. If left unchecked, this will likely escalate to the establishment of no-fly zones in the south and Kurdish regions.
TallarnDesertRaider
Registered Member
Hypothetically, it could've been a shahed too, Russia has experimented with gerans that mount shorter range R-73 missiles. Or a loitering AA drone too.
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
(sorry for the bad sound - signal was weak)
4x went live on the SDR with a 15 second EAM transmission.
The 4x frequency is used by the US military for High Frequency Global Communication Systems.
EAMs are key encrypted action messages for military assets in a particular AOR.
4x went live on the SDR with a 15 second EAM transmission.
The 4x frequency is used by the US military for High Frequency Global Communication Systems.
EAMs are key encrypted action messages for military assets in a particular AOR.
hasn2009
Registered Member
Trump-Netanyahu conflict drama is just to make fools of us normal people, US/Israel is same thing, Barak/Axios should be blacklisted by all honest journalists/media channels.
Trump wont hesitate destroying US economy for the sake of Israel, and what else can we expect from Trump who took $200mn+ from Miriam Adelsons?
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
Flights diverted to Tehran
