Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Nawnaw1 said:
Withdrawing from Lebanon or not is not capitulation. If a deal like this gets done and holds, within a few years not even the Arabs themselves will allow Israel to set foot in any Arab land, wherever. Things don't happen in a vacuum. If America and it's posture get significantly reduced in the middle east, you think irsrael kan just do what it likes there? It's entire existense will be in question, and not because of military conflict. But the wrath of hundreds of millions of people in the region. Forced recognition and reconciliation with dictatorship governments (arab dictatorships) is not sustainable mid- to long term.
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A very optimistic viewpoint, I hope you are proven correct. To me the last few years have proven that people in the region, like elsewhere, are fully onboard with the consumerist lifestyle and only want jobs and better facilities. They are willing to ignore whatever war or atrocity or repression is imposed by Israel, America or the dictatorships and will just performatively object. The only difference with the recent Iran war was that by attacking energy facilities and blocking the Strait of Hormuz, Iran brought the pain home to GCC/West and Israel and you saw them sing a very different tune from Gaza or Lebanon or Iraq or Syria or Yemen or Sudan or Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iran-Iraq 1980s etc.

However after this war is over all will return to the consumerist hedonistic lifestyle that now dominates the globe.
 
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Lebanon got the short end of the stick on this one... I doubt once the deal is signed Iran will do anything other than sabre rattling and "expressing concern" over the ethnic cleansing and occupation of South Lebanon. This is the worst case scenario.
 
One day hopefully Pakistan becomes a normal functioning country as well. 250 million people, energy hungry, huge labour market. An economically functioning and rising can also lift all boats in the region. Sh!t man. South(west) Asia should be booming non stop. Lets hope.
Persian Gulf said:
Iranian officials and media had insisted that Iran had stopped engaging with the U.S. after the U.S. attacked Iran several times. While Trump insisted Iran was lying and negotiations were ongoing.

Now Araghchi confirms Trump was telling the truth, and negotiations have been ongoing behind the scenes this entire time:

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I think they meant a while back, because of the things happening in Lobnan.
 
ShotErrorKh said:
Lebanon got the short end of the stick on this one... I doubt once the deal is signed Iran will do anything other than sabre rattling and "expressing concern" over the ethnic cleansing and occupation of South Lebanon. This is the worst case scenario.
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Nonsense. Stop fake concerns on Lebanon.
 
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Persian Gulf said:
Iranian officials and media had insisted that Iran had stopped engaging with the U.S. after the U.S. attacked Iran several times. While Trump insisted Iran was lying and negotiations were ongoing.

Now Araghchi confirms Trump was telling the truth, and negotiations have been ongoing behind the scenes this entire time:

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Of course there have been ongoing negotiations, Pakistan's Chief Asim Munir isn't gonna simply fly to Tehran, Beijing and elsewhere just for the thrills.

Diplomacy was always happening.
 
Watandar said:
A very optimistic viewpoint, I hope you are proven correct. To me the last few years have proven that people in the region, like elsewhere, are fully onboard with the consumerist lifestyle and only want jobs and better facilities. They are willing to ignore whatever war or atrocity or repression is imposed by Israel, America or the dictatorships and will just performatively object. The only difference with the recent Iran war was that by attacking energy facilities and blocking the Strait of Hormuz, Iran brought the pain home to GCC/West and Israel and you saw them sing a very different tune from Gaza or Lebanon or Iraq or Syria or Yemen or Sudan or Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iran-Iraq 1980s etc.

However after this war is over all will return to the consumerist hedonistic lifestyle that now dominates the globe.
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The lifestyle yes. And when there isn't enough mass (as in enough countries/people/power) to put pressure on the west or isr, that's true. But 110 million arabs in Egypt? They're not rich hedonistic. Syria, but especially Iraq arab nationalism in the future. They know the plans, they've lived through it. Will they always be quiet? And if the big ones don't, the gcc especially saudi has to wake up at a certain point too. bahrein doesn't count, it's smaller than my backyard. but yes. Indeed i agree with you that it's optimistic. but this is the power of people and nationalism. when the first sheep crosses, the rest will dare follow too.
 
ShotErrorKh said:
Lebanon got the short end of the stick on this one... I doubt once the deal is signed Iran will do anything other than sabre rattling and "expressing concern" over the ethnic cleansing and occupation of South Lebanon. This is the worst case scenario.
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100% Correct. Its already on full display. Israelis have been attacking and invading Lebanon for months now and so far only response by Iran was one-time limited missile attack.

By all means, Iran will see its own interests first over the Lebanese.

However not helping Hezbullah will have consequences for Iran too. Hezbullah joined the war for Iran and Iran not doing enough to protect it means that Iran will lose its influence over it in coming years and that's exactly what Israelis want.
 
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Persian Gulf said:
Iranian officials and media had insisted that Iran had stopped engaging with the U.S. after the U.S. attacked Iran several times. While Trump insisted Iran was lying and negotiations were ongoing.

Now Araghchi confirms Trump was telling the truth, and negotiations have been ongoing behind the scenes this entire time:

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I think your reading this wrong.

Araghchi is confirming what was agreed in Islamabad a while back is essentially the agreement maybe with a few bits here and there changed. There is no indication in that tweet anyway that whilst the US was attacking Iran they were back channel dealing.
 
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