Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Al-Zakir]

If referring to the US public school system, forget about it.

Public school is a joke a now a days.
They are more focused on convincing boys to become girls and vice versa. Especially, in democratic control state.

I took my kids out of Public school for the reason above and put them in private Islamic school ( similar to catholic school).

Public school in 80s and 90s used to be good. We can't compete with the world with shifty mindset like this.

 

[ShapurII]

What do you mean?

China has significantly reduced her oil imports per reports and Russia has ramped up her oil exports. Both actions negatively impact our struggle to keep oil prices high. Ironically, Ukraine almost saved us by targeting Russia's energy infrastructure.

 

[ShapurII]

Yes Israel will keep on attacking may be after few months or few years but you will never see any Americunts directly involved in Iran war support yes,
This war has shown without the courage to put a million men on ground war status and nature of Iran regime cant be changed.

Iran should take the deal where they can bring Iranian oil and gas in free market even if the trade happens in US dollars, get the monies prep for next rounds.

Israel alone cannot do significant damage to Iran. 13,000 strikes on Iran in 39 days wouldn't have been achieved without the US involvement.

 

[BigMela2onin]

What do you mean?

Iraq is exporting oil through the SoH toll free.

 

[925boy]

imo iran probably wants a european venue becasue they think it would legitimise the deal more , also swtizerland saar

this decision was probably made by iranians , us doesnt care apart from security but they did send jd and nothing went wrong

tbh be thankfull they rememberd us and named it islamabad MOU , and they didnt sign it in qatar or turkey

Geneva is Iran's choice IMO because Switzerland is an established, reliable, internationally established neutral state, especially if it agrees to mediate between 2 conflicting parties.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Their bases are far from rubble. The US still retains the capability to launch war on Iran.

Honestly, when you look at the situation from the perspective of an average Joe, the US adventure in Iran hasn't cost the Americans much. Close to $100 billion, which is not that much for the US's one trillion dollar military budget, and fewer than 15 deaths.

And how much have they lost economically?

Countries like U.K. and Japan are further in debt and less able to prop up the dollar.

And what about their GCC poodles?

Are they more likely or less likely to buy US weapons?

Total cost runs into trillions.

 

[ShapurII]

Iraq is exporting oil through the SoH toll free.

That too, and we are enabling them to do so, which is nothing short of treason.

 

[BigMela2onin]

That too, and we are enabling them to do so, which is nothing short of treason.

The worst part is anything they make is going to a bank account in NY. So essentially those ships are shipping US oil.

 

[ShapurII]

And how much have they lost economically?

Countries like U.K. and Japan are further in debt and less able to prop up the dollar.

And what about their GCC poodles?

Are they more likely or less likely to buy US weapons?

Total cost runs into trillions.

Well, all I can say is that the Emirati officials said that the recent Iranian strikes have convinced them to purchase more weapons from the US and get closer to Israel.

I think contrary to what people here believe, Arabs like Bahrain, Kuwait and the Emirates would buy more American weapons after this. They are already investing in US air defense systems.

As for the US, even if we include the US indirect loss like higher oil prices and other stuff, I'm sure it won't exceed $150 billion. That's peanuts for the US. The US official cost for the war is about $50 billion or so. Now let's generously round it up to $100 billion. The Americans use 375 million gallons of gasoline per day. Average price has increased by about $1. That hardly exceeds $40 billion since the start of war until now. Trillions is too optimistic.

 

[Al-Zakir]

Israel alone cannot do significant damage to Iran. 13,000 strikes on Iran in 39 days wouldn't have been achieved without the US involvement.

Iran broke Israhell's back. It can no longer walk straight and bully around the neighborhood like it used to.

I hope some sense prevail in Muslim states, strategize and prepare for final battle.

Gazi salahuddin first united the Muslim worlds and then the Muslims conquered Jerusalem under his leadership.

 

[HAIDER]

Haider bhai nukes are relegated to junk status today.

Nobody wants them, cuz yous can''t use them anyway.

This is a huge issue now.

Who wants to commit suicide?

Sir ji , US used in Japan was very low yield in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the one we have and other countries are extremely high yield , which also destroy environment of continents. In other words , we all die.

 

[niubi]

The US is a paper tiger in the sense that it cannot do its will to even Iran which has been sanctioned throughout basically the entire technology era that has been experienced so far.

The US would have obliterated countless countries. Yes. We all know there are countless defenceless countries in the world. It's actually what a paper tiger is capable of doing. Against anyone that can actually shoot back, they falter.

The US cares deeply about West Asia/Middle East oil infrastructure because it cares deeply about keeping energy supplies affordable so as to perpetuate the cycle that gives it actual strength - petrodollar cycle -> export inflation -> debt cycle perpetuation without collapse. It does not want to see West Asia/Middle East oil infrastructure go up in smoke so that all countries are forced to diversify into renewables with even more money going to China for those renewables and pumping up the industries in China that innovate and produce those technologies. Furthermore, the US either own and dictate most West Asian/Middle Eastern oil production outside Iran's. Russian oil would become a major alternative to American oil if that becomes the case.

It is precisely Iran's ability to economically strangle the world through SOH, drain Israel and US of weapons supply in an era where China is enforcing some rare earth restrictions particularly for military application, and the fact that Iran can use ballistic missiles and drones as weapons of war to hit US and Israeli military installations and as weapons of terror against Israel and US controlled vassals that is Iran's strength within context.

Yes in a more isolated scenario, US would obviously obliterate Iran but war isn't ever in isolated scenarios and without leverage.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[TumbaX]

Well, all I can say is that the Emirati officials said that the recent Iranian strikes have convinced them to purchase more weapons from the US and get closer to Israel.

I think contrary to what people here believe, Arabs like Bahrain, Kuwait and the Emirates would buy more American weapons after this. They are already investing in US air defense systems.

As for the US, even if we include the US indirect loss like higher oil prices and other stuff, I'm sure it won't exceed $150 billion. That's peanuts for the US. The US official cost for the war is about $50 billion or so. Now let's generously round it up to $100 billion. The Americans use 375 million gallons of gasoline per day. Average price has increased by about $1. That hardly exceeds $40 billion since the start of war until now. Trillions is too optimistic.

Whats the obsession how this war impacts US home land, US home land is viable because of USD is a reserve currency.

A 100 US dollar bill costs them few cents to manufacture and americunts can buy goods services and material thousands of Renminbi and Rupees.

And how they sustain this US dollar as reserve currency by influencing various resource rich nations to trade most common commodities in US dollars and influence is mainly a US military base inside thr country or a Aircraft Carrier near thr shores.

What this war has shown to planet Americunts are becoming more and more unsure to use thr military and that too is not that successful because military technology has become cheaper and easier to acquire….

A 20000 USD drone vs 2 million interceptor

The glory days are near over for pedo Americunts, many resource rich countries will slowly adopt other currencies diluting americunt power they can boss around Venezuela ….

Once USD loses its status the rabid, uncivilised US society will literally become cannibals and 100s of nations which are pissed off by americunta will make sure the civil war goes on till the days euroids run back to europe

 

[niubi]

Venezuela was only a cake walk for the US because they paid off more than half the entire upper military leadership. Venezuela didn't even shoot at the Americans.

How come they didn't just do that with Iran then if they have the supposed hard power capabilities to pull that off like they want the world to believe?

Venezuela handed its resignation over to the US when its leadership class took USD and passport deals or whatever bribes the US intelligence offered. The Americans could not do shit to Iran outside of strikes which any reasonable military power can pull off with ease... I mean Iran hit countless US military targets that are defended by multilayered IAD and did the same to Israeli military and unfortunately also civilian targets. The US would run out of conventional ordinance before they could completely defeat Iran using stand off strikes alone. Only boots on ground can change this military defeat into a victory and boots on ground would cost the US so much it would have zero left in the tank to threaten any middle power let alone any near peer or peer power.