Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

It´s not liberal segments. ALL Americans are sick and tire of wars. They pretty much hope the US ´loses´ so that it doesn´t go to war again. That´s why you have so many paid ´influencers´ to push war or at least try to justify it. mainstream media isn´t even believed by 70 year old yokels with guns. even they are sick and tired of war. and 99% of americans now know fully well who truly runs the show and why america has ´interests´ in the middle east. it´s done.

What is strikingly different about this war is that there was not even an attempt to 'manufacture consent'. But you are right: Americans on the whole are sick and tired of wars.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Meengla]

What 'upfront concessions' could not be reversed by Iran? The Strait could be closed within minutes again some months / years later. The HEU could be made again because the knowledge and the infra remains in Iran. The missile program is not even on the table--which was the deal breaker for the Oman Talks just before this war.

 

[VCheng]

And then those foreign leaders use that money to buy property in U.K. and USA

Some of the money end up on the black market currency trades.

But still finds it’s way back to the US financial system.

But why should that happen? Those with this money can buy property in Macao, Hong Kong and China, and invest in the Chinese economic sphere of influence. It is their choice.

After all, why tie your future to a declining empire with a dead currency, that has just been defeated in yet another war? Invest in where the future is here today.

 

[Professor Jiang]

What 'upfront concessions' could not be reversed by Iran? The Strait could be closed within minutes again some months / years later. The HEU could be made again because the knowledge and the infra remains in Iran.

The problem is that both of these courses of action require time in order to create their desires effect.

In the case of closing the Strait, most commentary suggests that Trump's admin genuinely did not think Iran would do it. That's down to stupidity on their side (it's been war-games endlessly by the US military), but next time you can bet the Americans will be a bit more ready. And Iran would again need to wait months in order for the cost of closure to be felt at the pumps.

Iran is in an absolutely unique position right now in terms of timing, and should not squander the opportunity.

 

[Meengla]

The problem is that both of these courses of action require time in order to create their desires effect.
In the case of closing the Strait, most commentary suggests that Trump's admin genuinely did not think Iran would do it. That's down to stupidity on their side (it's been war-games endlessly by the US military), but next time you can bet the Americans will be a bit more ready. And Iran would again need to wait months in order for the cost of closure to be felt at the pumps.
Iran is in an absolutely unique position right now in terms of timing, and should not squander the opportunity.

I don't think there will be a next time once the Americans withdraw their naval assets and I think the agreement says within 30 days. But the region will remain on thin ice as long as both Netanyahu and Trump are holding their respective offices at the same time. Too much is at stake for Netanyahu/Israel: The 150 year old Zionist project itself faces a dire future in case Iran comes out truly 'victorious' from this war. I don't consider Iran 'victorious' at this point; definitely has an upper hand at this point.

 

[Meengla]

Starting to watch this. First time watching this guy: Iranian? He is saying a 'parallel arrangement' has been made which has Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran in it.

 

[Homajon]

 

[HAIDER]

Iran says signing of memorandum with US will not take place on Sunday​

 

[HAIDER]

 

[BananaRepublic]

So now you are going to the stock market after talking about America's domestic inflation, which I pointed out has been pretty low.
Look: Some 10, 20, 30 billion of USD sent overseas as cash as part of CIA operations has no impact on the domestic American inflation and the inflation data after the 70s show that.
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. I am done with this debate. It is offtopic anyway.

You think inflation is only about cost of groceries?

Asset bubble is what has wiped out the middle class and what is destroying USA and U.K.

 

[Lulldapull]

Iran will close both the straits then and keep em closed until all the colluddzz scream in pain........

Gotta love the Iranian strategy no?

 

[Ali_Baba]

What 'upfront concessions' could not be reversed by Iran? The Strait could be closed within minutes again some months / years later. The HEU could be made again because the knowledge and the infra remains in Iran. The missile program is not even on the table--which was the deal breaker for the Oman Talks just before this war.

I do not see Iran giving over HEU to a 3rd country this time. They will down blend, or leave it buried for now. As you say, Iran is negotiating on the basis that the USA cannot be trusted and will backtrack.

Is there a possibility that Iran does a symbolic transfer of a "small amount" for Trump to get his optics in return for full permanent sanctions removal? The SL has said no so far, but full sanctions removal is a prize worth pursuing over "principle"(/ego). For Iran to decide of course.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The problem is that both of these courses of action require time in order to create their desires effect.

In the case of closing the Strait, most commentary suggests that Trump's admin genuinely did not think Iran would do it. That's down to stupidity on their side (it's been war-games endlessly by the US military), but next time you can bet the Americans will be a bit more ready. And Iran would again need to wait months in order for the cost of closure to be felt at the pumps.

Iran is in an absolutely unique position right now in terms of timing, and should not squander the opportunity.

Iran should use this opportunity to get all sanctions removed, once and for all. That would be a fantastic outcome for Iran.

 

[RocketLaw]

33 minutes ago