Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

And at risk of yet more ire from @Musings , some things may still take some time to understand. I will patiently wait and see. Of course, anyone wishing to rush to judgement prematurely is most welcome to do so, freely.

The purpose of this forum is open discussion, and that on strategic matters. It is not just a historical debating committee on what has happened and documented, but a mechanism for thought and discussion on how things may evolve and change from where we are currently, i.e. strategic thought based on game theory of all parties involved.

The act of strategic thought implies that theories are formulated on the basis of what is known and what is not being said of actual intentions behind those actions. Those theories and thoughts will stand the test of time as being correct, or fail as they are overtaken by new events. You may feel uncomfortable with such strategic thought, views, talks and opinions , but you really need to step away from telling others to not engage in thought, reasoning and projections if they provide the background to their views and why they formulate the views.

I have said this many times to you, and will do so again. This is a "discussion forum".

 

[Meengla]

France 24 also comparing it to the Treaty of Versailles. I’m not sure they want to say the French got Heir Drumpf to sign famous for start the villain arch that will cause blowback in 2 decades.

Right, interesting venue to sign the agreement and interesting that both sides decided to sign two days ahead (was supposed to be on Friday). I wonder why the rush! Maybe the global oil shipments can't be postponed even by two days? Maybe Trump wanted the limelight and the venue?

 

[FuturePAF]

Not that I know of.

Now might a good time for Iran to get the American and European companies excited of what items Iran wants to buy, to cement a lobbying block in the west to hold this deal, come what may.

 

[Ali_Baba]

. And you think the specific reference to waivers for banking services doesn’t mean anything?

The removal of sanctions on financial services is the most significant benefit to Iran out of all the things that Iran has achieved. People will realize the significance of this in time as Iran begins the process of economic rebuilding and investment into Iran. People should not underestimate the value of this waiver and final sanction removal.

 

[FuturePAF]

Right, interesting venue to sign the agreement and interesting that both sides decided to sign two days ahead (was supposed to be on Friday). I wonder why the rush! Maybe the global oil shipments can't be postponed even by two days? Maybe Trump wanted the limelight and the venue?

I suspect oil shipment issues as well as Trump is probably tired of Israel Firsters trying to undermine the deal.

 

[Lulldapull]

It would be interesting to see if a pipeline for oil and gas can go via Pakistan to China ?

Even if we lay down this pipeline bhai there are millions of harami dehshatgard in our country who will happily blow it up in one second as soon as it gets commissioned.

We have a serious problem in our country with haramis everywhere. Just waiting to blow shit up.

 

[Meengla]

I suspect oil shipment issues as well as Trump is probably tired of Israel Firsters trying to undermine the deal.

Contrary to the doomers and gloomers here and contrary to Trump's boast about 100 million barrels passed through the Strait, listen to what Elijah Magnier said a few days ago: Even if the 100 million barrels claim was true, that was still a very small amount of the needed output. And also listen to what Trump himself said yesterday about 'only four weeks' reserves left.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Right, interesting venue to sign the agreement and interesting that both sides decided to sign two days ahead (was supposed to be on Friday). I wonder why the rush! Maybe the global oil shipments can't be postponed even by two days? Maybe Trump wanted the limelight and the venue?

Maybe all parties got hold of a plan by Israel to sabotage it and decided to establish facts on the ground before Israel can do anything?

 

[Optical216]

This has got to be the biggest diplomatic achievement in our history.

 

[VCheng]

you really need to step away from telling others to not engage in thought, reasoning and projections

LOL. where did I stop anyone? I am very clear:

Of course, anyone wishing to rush to judgement prematurely is most welcome to do so, freely.

 

[Optical216]

Even if we lay down this pipeline bhai there are millions of harami dehshatgard in our country who will happily blow it up in one second as soon as it gets commissioned.

We have a serious problem in our country with haramis everywhere. Just waiting to blow shit up.

that problem will only be fixed if the Military is ruthless. they are too soft.

 

[Meengla]

The removal of sanctions on financial services is the most significant benefit to Iran out of all the things that Iran has achieved. People will realize the significance of this in time as Iran begins the process of economic rebuilding and investment into Iran. People should not underestimate the value of this waiver and final sanction removal.

Right.
But, as opposed to the larger world analysts, some here always see the glass half full--or maybe they don't even see any glass at all! Sigh!

 

[Meengla]

Maybe all parties got hold of a plan by Israel to sabotage it and decided to establish facts on the ground before Israel can do anything?

Possible!! Iranians were waiting to actually ink the accord before they would expect the Americans to enforce Lebanon ceasefire on Israel otherwise Iran itself, using the agreement as cover, would take matters in its own hands.
It will be very interesting following what the Israeli press is going to say about Lebanon now that the agreement is signed.

 

[Ali_Baba]

LOL. where did I stop anyone? I am very clear:

Of course, anyone wishing to rush to judgement prematurely is most welcome to do so, freely.

Then please stop going around telling people to not discuss this, or that because it is "conjecture"..

 

[ShapurII]

Now might a good time for Iran to get the American and European companies excited of what items Iran wants to buy, to cement a lobbying block in the west to hold this deal, come what may.

We tried that in the JCPOA. We placed huge orders for both Airbus and Boeing airplanes. It didn't work.