Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Abdul q]

 

[RealNapster]

Naheen yaar!

They've already beaten em without hair-force no?

Hair-Force only for these boyz now:

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The good (or should we say bad thing) about any military strategy is that it only works once. Because any sensible enemy will plan for all the military strategies that were previously used by its enemy.

So I won't bet too much on the missiles based systems too much. After all they are offensive capabilities, but what about defensive ??

If Iran had defensive capabilities do you think USA would be able to land multiple transport planes, helicopters, vehicles etc in middle of Iran for hours and then leave ?

 

[Shags101]

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don’t forget American president who he says told him what a great job he did in Iran and he wished it was him who did it seriously needs to be taken out of office he really is worse than Biden by now I don’t think even Biden has that many imaginary conversations

 

[Shags101]

The good (or should we say bad thing) about any military strategy is that it only works once. Because any sensible enemy will plan for all the military strategies that were previously used by its enemy.

So I won't bet too much on the missiles based systems too much. After all they are offensive capabilities, but what about defensive ??

If Iran had defensive capabilities do you think USA would be able to land multiple transport planes, helicopters, vehicles etc in middle of Iran for hours and then leave ?

To be fair Iran has been shown to adapt to situations rapidly faster than the American military has otherwise if they were as confident as they boast they would have taken over the straits day one but they couldn’t.
Agree though Irans defense needs to a huge upgrade but honestly when it was 20 to 1 they did a bang up job
20 countries include offensive defensive and logistical allies

 

[unconventional]

I think we should wait to see the results of negotiations before calling this a victory for Iran.

If Iran manages to impose its control of the Strait of Hormuz after the war or refuses to hand over its HEU, I think it'll definitely be an Iranian victory. But if Iran loses its HEU and also loses its control over the Strait of Hormuz, then I think most people wouldn't call it an Iranian victory.

Well, the Strait was opened prior to the war. Re-opening it won’t make it a US victory, but a return to the pre war conditions.

Enriching uranium strictly to % for civilian use only, destroying or diluting the HEU, and letting IAEA inspectors on the ground in Iran will definitely be conditions favoring the US.

But considering what Iran is getting for doing this, and not resolving the “threat from their ballistic missiles”, or their support for the resistance groups in the neighborhood; I would still call that a big Iran win. Which (the deal) is reflective of what Iran achieved in the war.

 

[Lulldapull]

The good (or should we say bad thing) about any military strategy is that it only works once. Because any sensible enemy will plan for all the military strategies that were previously used by its enemy.

So I won't bet too much on the missiles based systems too much. After all they are offensive capabilities, but what about defensive ??

If Iran had defensive capabilities do you think USA would be able to land multiple transport planes, helicopters, vehicles etc in middle of Iran for hours and then leave ?

Bhai......I mean I totally agree on that notion dat what works once or twice or a dozen times.......might not work again......Sure!

Problem is trump ka ulla has given up no? He fukkin threw in da towel, long ago no?

Between trump ka ulla and hendu ka dalit......wez caught in da middle of da diddle no?

but you know.....deep down, Iran is not a joker, like da rest of em so called 'Muzz-Lims' no?

Just came across their latest vid from da 'Street scenes' series.

You see their country/ society/ infra/ quality of citizenry/ hygiene/ municipal services and what not.

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Can you compare this with our situation or for dat matter that of the Hindu's across de baaddurr?

Well?.....

Iran's already won here.......but, I believe that da west/ Zio-cabal ain't done yet. They'll have a go at Iran again, no shit.

They're just looking for a weakness, whether societal or military, they'll try again to bring down Iran.

 

[unconventional]

Iran's already won here.......but, I believe that da west/ Zio-cabal ain't done yet. They'll have a go at Iran again, no shit.

They're just looking for a weakness, whether societal or military, they'll try again to bring down Iran.

As sir @VCheng would say in his infinite wisdom, the US/Israel can try, certainly they have the right to do what they think is in their national interests. I expect these countries to make rational decisions for their people.

But I don’t see how the outcome will be any different: Iran will close the Strait again and choke the global economy, and the US will need to commit a huge number of troops on the ground in Iran for years, which won’t happen.

 

[Lulldapull]

@RealNapster

Its just so over bhai. 'Hair force' and Golly wog dolls in India? Are you kidding?.......

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[RealNapster]

@RealNapster

Its just so over bhai. 'Hair force' and Golly wog dolls in India? Are you kidding?.......

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Only if I had the patience to watch 2 old men talking about politics for 24 minutes

 

[Lulldapull]

Only if I had the patience to watch 2 old men talking about politics for 24 minutes

but its so over man.

What's all dem colluddzz toady goin do now?

'Hair-Force' is not goin cut it right?

Abbu-G has been exposed as a chump no?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Only if I had the patience to watch 2 old men talking about politics for 24 minutes

 

[ShapurII]

It looks like Iran opened the strait in exchange for promises of money. This was agreed to by the same negotiating team that agreed to pour cement in Arak reactor's fuel rod tubes and a accepted a one way trigger mechanism in the JCPOA. So that's par for the course.

Iran also gets to sell oil for 60 days to help build inventory in the US and fill the fuel tanks of the war machine so Iran may be attacked again.

Not surprising as the history of Iran is filled with sellouts and incompetent fools acting as politicians. The only sad part is Iran actually won this round militarily against everyone's prediction. Only for Zarif's buddies to give it away.

In the meantime a regional Sunni, anti Iran force seems to be shaping up. We are yet to see how this will be used.

I completely agree with you. The US is using Iran against itself and people here are cheering it as if it's some sort of victory.

I do not think any sort of cash is going to enter Iran any time soon. The price of USD in Iran is on the rise again, rising from 153K IRT after signing the MoU to 166K IRT again, as of today. That doesn't indicate any sort of access to frozen funds in my opinion. It shows nothing has changed for Iran yet.

And I completely agree with you on the last part. That's what I think too.

Well, the Strait was opened prior to the war. Re-opening it won’t make it a US victory, but a return to the pre war conditions.

Enriching uranium strictly to % for civilian use only, destroying or diluting the HEU, and letting IAEA inspectors on the ground in Iran will definitely be conditions favoring the US.

But considering what Iran is getting for doing this, and not resolving the “threat from their ballistic missiles”, or their support for the resistance groups in the neighborhood; I would still call that a big Iran win. Which (the deal) is reflective of what Iran achieved in the war.

It does make it a US victory because Iran will have lost one of its hard-earned cards in the negotiations. You don't lose your cards in negotiations unless you're in a weak position.

Most of these "resistance groups" are useless parasites. A money pit without any sort of meaningful return for Iran. Hezbollah is perhaps the only exception, but they already knew they wouldn't survive a day without Iran as the Lebanese government was already trying to disarm them and suffocate them. When Iran needed them in the 12-day war, they issued only one statement at the end of the war. That's all they did during the 12-day war. Houthis of Yemen literally abandoned Iran and said they would stay faithful to their agreements with the US. PMU and Iraqi militias were involved to the minimum, launching FPVs mostly. And we have already lost Syria. Iran's regional dominance is nothing like it used to be in early 2010s.

As for our missiles, they were proven ineffective in establishing deterrence. Our damage to Israel was not significant as we thought and we couldn't even threaten the US Navy at the height of war. Right now, the main US problem is our HEU, which cannot be confiscated without some sort of local help in Iran. They're going to do everything in their power to get this out of our country with fake promises and "diplomacy". Only after the HEU has been secured, they will think about their next biggest issues in my opinion.

 

[unconventional]

It does make it a US victory because Iran will have lost one of its hard-earned cards in the negotiations. You don't lose your cards in negotiations unless you're in a weak position.

Most of these "resistance groups" are useless parasites. A money pit without any sort of meaningful return for Iran. Hezbollah is perhaps the only exception, but they already knew they wouldn't survive a day without Iran as the Lebanese government was already trying to disarm them and suffocate them. When Iran needed them in the 12-day war, they issued only one statement at the end of the war. That's all they did during the 12-day war. Houthis of Yemen literally abandoned Iran and said they would stay faithful to their agreements with the US. PMU and Iraqi militias were involved to the minimum, launching FPVs mostly. And we have already lost Syria. Iran's regional dominance is nothing like it used to be in early 2010s.

As for our missiles, they were proven ineffective in establishing deterrence. Our damage to Israel was not significant as we thought and we couldn't even threaten the US Navy at the height of war.

I’m sorry, but I cannot agree with this assessment.

Iran has not lost one of its hard-earned cards, they can close the strait whenever they feel like it; and the US/Israel cannot get it open by force. Iran would have only lost that card if it didn’t have the ability to re-close the strait.

The opening of the strait also lifts the US naval blockade, and Iran is able to export and provide economic relief for the population affected by the war.

About the resistance groups, there are strong indications that the Houthis were not asked to engage against Israel at this time. And when there was talk of Israeli escalation, Iran said they could play an additional card of closing Bab Al Mandab. That shows that only if the war escalated, Iran would ask the Houthis to engage. They were quite comfortable with the way the war was going compared to the comfort level of the US, and they knew the US would give in. It was a smart strategy by the Iranians not to activate the Houthi threat immediately, you don’t play all your cards at once.

The missiles did not do a lot of damage in $$ terms of destroyed infrastructure in Israel. However, they significantly deteriorated the number of interceptors Israel and the US had (especially Israel) to critically low levels, so if you were being honest; you would factor in how much each interceptor costs and how long it takes to replenish the used interceptors. The US had to end the war for the sake of Israel’s existence.

Not to mention the $$$ damage in infrastructure in the GCC and other Arab countries, forcing them (Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman) to rethink their security relationship with the US.