Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Iran is using Russian & Chinese satellite systems for targeting and you are saying those countries militaries are toy like LMAO! You are by far the most delusional guy much more than indians.

Iran is using commercial satellite data from a range of companies, mostly from China and Russia. Nothing cutting edge or military grade. And yes, those militaries are still pretty useless and ineffective against NATO.

Russia has been the laughing stock of the world ever since they attacked Ukraine and failed miserably at advancing after the 2nd year. They even retreated from Kharkiv and never took it back. At the end, Russia most likely will secure like 20% of the Ukrainian territory at great economic, military and political costs.

These two things are completely different and irrelevant to each other, anyway.

Read history, North korea helped Iran in its BM program. N.K is many times or several decades ahead of Iran when it comes to missile program and nuclear program. The ICBMs, The MIRVs, The size and speed of their missile program. I am not even going to compare your beloved military with likes of military super power China. It would be a disgrace to even make a comparison.

Yes, they did, but in 90s and early 2000s. So did Libya and Syria, by providing us with Scud-B and Scud-C missiles. Also, there's no comparison between Iran and China. China is a global power and Iran is a middle power at best, but that's completely irrelevant to the situation between China, Russia and NATO.

Any country that falls in the trap of fighting against the US or NATO in the hope of getting any sort of actual help from China or Russia will have the same fate of today's Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

Is there AL-Peace in Russia cuz they sure got 6000 nukes bhai.

Nukes don't guarantee AL-Peace no?

That's not a good example. Russia was the aggressor, not Ukraine.

 

[VCheng]

Posted without comment, but this seemed too appropriate not to share here:

 

[Pakistan First]

Iran is using commercial satellite data from a range of companies, mostly from China and Russia. Nothing cutting edge or military grade. And yes, those militaries are still pretty useless and ineffective against NATO.

Russia has been the laughing stock of the world ever since they attacked Ukraine and failed miserably at advancing after the 2nd year. They even retreated from Kharkiv and never took it back. At the end, Russia most likely will secure like 20% of the Ukrainian territory at great economic, military and political costs.

These two things are completely different and irrelevant to each other, anyway.


Yes, they did, but in 90s and early 2000s. So did Libya and Syria, by providing us with Scud-B and Scud-C missiles. Also, there's no comparison between Iran and China. China is a global power and Iran is a middle power at best, but that's completely irrelevant to the situation between China, Russia and NATO.

Any country that falls in the trap of fighting against the US or NATO in the hope of getting any sort of actual help from China or Russia will have the same fate of today's Iran.

I agree with your post.

@Lulldapull was trying to portray as if Chinese military is at same level given Russia's performance. There's literally no comparison of China and Russia. I know Russian military is in dire conditions, man-power issues, lack of supplies, lack of funds, lack of tactics. China on other hand is entirely at different level. Russia can't properly build a 5th gen fighter and China is already in advance stages of 6th gen fighters. Their 4.5 gen fighters literally owned Europe's most advance fighter jets in last year air combat. China's rise in robotics, AI, space capabilities (building and owning a space station of its own), and most importantly the largest navy and most advance rocket force etc are in front of everyone. NATO is only something with US. 90% of strength of NATO is US. Without it its literally useless against likes of China. Whole Europe put together can't built a 5th gen fighter. China alone has GDP higher then whole of European union. Anways, its getting long and out of topic.. I think i made my point already.

 

[RescueRanger]

 

[MH.Yang]

Bhai there is zero proof of neither Russia nor China helping Iran out with diddly Squat.

You can ask any Iranian here about this fact of life.

@ShapurII

The Iranian government knows better than you whether China has helped Iran. If you need evidence, then the Iranian government's attitude towards China is directly proportional to the extent of China's assistance.

 

[Aryan_B]

I am a British pakistani sunni. I love Iran and Iranian people. In culture we have much in common. Pakistani anthem is in farsi.

Iranian people compared to Indians in the east and GCC countries to the west are better looking and better educated.

Having said that some of the decisions made by Iranians in the last 4 or 5 decades are stupid beyond my comprehension.

1. Not building a nuke and shitting on Pakistan from a great height and telling west Pakistan helped you.

2. seeing motherfuker indians as your allies. What part of they were ruled by Muslims for 1000 years has left them insecure and hating Muslims. Indians are loyal dogs of Jews and the west. After the recent episode when its clear that India supports Israel the Iranian people made a point of not inviting some Europeans but allowed fuking pagan indian to Ayatollas funeral. Why why is it cos they will by a few litres of oil off you?? Indian ally with Jews in their hatred for Muslims. Indian pagan worshipping cow piss drinking motherfukers have nothing in common with you Iranians.

3 Russia as stated often that they support Zionists and many Israelis are Russian speakers. Did you really think they would be your strategic allies and they would really supply you anything to fight Jews. I am not saying this now I said it on PDF 10 years ago you need to move closer to China and Pakistan. The strategic locations and interests converge.

4. GCC leaders are traitors to their own people we all know that. But after the Iranian revolution Iran should have had a more nuanced relationship with these states and assured them that Iran would not support any revolutions against them. (remember Iran pre revolution was freindly with GCC states because Iran was not threatening posture).

Thing is even today am not sure if Iranians have learn their lesson. Why indians allowed to pretend they are your frens and come to funeral.

Dont rely on Russia for strategic relationship or weapons look at you supplying them with drones against Ukraine. What has Russia done for you. Treat Russia and Indians as frenemies not frens

 

[Meengla]

Seems like Israeli media manipulation and censorship of tech /satellite companies in relation to it's war on Iran has tricked you. you're wiser than that bro, stop falling for Israeli govt tricks. US is most likely also censoring some damage it took. You have to factor that in and not accept what you're seeing as the complete truth, because it's not the complete picture.

Look: I really wished there was enough damage caused to Israel by Iran to establish a deterrent but I don't think Iran did that. Sure, there was some damage but not the point of deterrence.
No amount of censorship can hide major damage to a country which is well connected with the world: Thousands of people enter/exit Israel on weekly basis and many of those are non Israelis. If they were to peek out of their windows in Tel Aviv or other major cities and take the footage of major damage to surrounding Aviv, no stopping them and not possible to check every phone/camera on flights out from Israel.

Plus, Israel wants to drag on the war, which means they are willing to take the economic hits and the psychological impact of hiding in bunkers but they are not hit physically enough to stop from continuing the war.

Having said that, some analysts are saying Iran possesses hypersonic missiles for a final, major blow to Israel if/when the time comes. Only time will tell.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran is using commercial satellite data from a range of companies, mostly from China and Russia. Nothing cutting edge or military grade. And yes, those militaries are still pretty useless and ineffective against NATO.

AFAIK those civilian companies (I don't know Russia, but China yes) are just a screen to hide military assistance to Irán from China.

While labeled as civilian the high definition of those are well regarded. So I think these images has nothing to envy military grade images. But we will never know.

 

[RescueRanger]

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A better overview:

It would appear that the drones are now being flown out of Jordan:


Geo-location: 32.164043651333216, 37.15093559292354


Prince Hassan Air Base.

We know this base has been targeted before, Open-Source Satellite Imagery confirms this:

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Target was likely whatever was in this hardened aircraft shelter as seen in this image from google earth.

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The question remains; these are the kind of targets that Iran should be focusing on.

 

[Meengla]

hats off to Spain and its people, a nation that despite restrictions, isn't afraid to show it still stands on the right side of humanity. God bless the Spanish people.

Spain gains nothing by siding with Iran. Ireland gained nothing when they strongly stood by the Palestinians during the recent Israel-Gaza war. Both are white, Christian, Western nations. And what does that tell you? That 'humanity' is indeed alive and that those trolls here who ad naseum repeat cliches like 'only national interests guide nations' sound like soul-less people in their personal lives and are projecting their inner soul in this thread and in this forum.
We all know who they are!

 

[Master Chief]

Spain gains nothing by siding with Iran. Ireland gained nothing when they strongly stood by the Palestinians during the recent Israel-Gaza war. Both are white, Christian, Western nations. And what does that tell you? That 'humanity' is indeed alive and that those trolls here who ad naseum repeat cliches like 'only national interests guide nations' sound like soul-less people in their personal lives and are projecting their inner soul in this thread and in this forum.
We all know who they are!

It does raise an additional question:

Can national interests themselves be purely morality based?

I believe they can and often are. There are countless examples of nations taking a strategic position that will cause great financial or social or physical loss to themselves whilst in pursuit of a morally preferable outcome. The early era of Islamic history is a case in point.