Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Watandar]

As I said multiple times: Iran doesn't have the same integral chain of command which even poor countries like Pakistan and India have. And that can't be blamed on this war: 'Iran' had launched missiles into Pakistan a couple of years ago--the only country which wishes Iranians from all strata of its society. Even Trita Parsi today, on Danny Haiphong show, saying that the Iranian reaction was over reaction.
Imagine nukes in their hands? Yes, people may not like me saying that but I wouldn't put nukes in their hands!

Hahaha Sir you have an exaggerated opinion of the Pakistani chain of command. Perhaps you should investigate how Op Gibraltar (1965) and Op Koh e Paima (1999) were launched before making such claims. But that is going off topic.

 

[Meengla]

It's a USA source.
Iranian sources say the ships ignored Iran instructions.
Who lie? I don't know.
But all we saw clearly attacks stopping when negotiations started. I don't see so clearly that supposed existence of uncontrolled groups inside Iran.

Here is the Trita Parsi video I was referring to. It is important to watch for its current status and for long term outlook anyway but it also addresses the Iranian over reaction. I don't think Trita's credentials about peace can be doubted.
Iran does have a problem of chain of command and centers of power.

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[Meengla]

Hahaha Sir you have an exaggerated opinion of the Pakistani chain of command. Perhaps you should investigate how Op Gibraltar (1965) and Op Koh e Paima (1999) were launched before making such claims. But that is going off topic.

I am aware of those. But when India and Pakistan DGMOs agreed to something during wars multiple times, that was the end of it! Chain of command.
Anyway, it is offtopic.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

After 9/11, Pakistan had faced the 'stone age' threat and Pakistan was a declared nuclear power three years before. What did Pakistan do? Played along, bide its time, and today's Pakistan is militarily, economically, diplomatically much stronger than it was 25 years ago.
Smart, long term geopolitics --which, I dare say, the Iranians are only beginning to learn from their only real friend and the veterans of geopolitics: Pakistan!

We have a well-known Persian proverb:
“One does not bandage a head that does not ache.”
In other words, we do not impose additional sanctions upon ourselves when there is no necessity. However, when the appropriate time arrives, we take all necessary actions.
Hossein Shariatmadari, a figure closely affiliated with the hardline core of the regime, stated several years ago that Iran would attack israhell. At the time, many did not believe his words. Yet today, Iran has conducted four attacks on zionist regime and struck its major cities and the war still continues.

The same individual remarked a few days ago that Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei may soon issue an order (or a fatwa) about nukes, which many are anticipating, as Iran’s conditions have significantly changed compared to the years 2001–2003 and we are fighting against two nuclear states

And prepare against them whatever you are able of power [8:60] 60th verse of Surah Al-Anfal

حسین شریعتمداری: فاصله ما با سلاح اتمی اراده است و نه تکنولوژی

حسین شریعتمداری، مدیرمسئول روزنامه کیهان، با بیان اینکه «فاصله ایران با تولید سلاح اتمی، فاصله‌ای تکنولوژیک نیست بلکه ارادی است»، گفت: جمهوری اسلامی دانش و توان فنی ساخت سلاح هسته‌ای را دارد، اما اکنون بر اساس حکم رهبر شهید از تولید آن منع شده و هرگونه تغییر در این تصمیم به نظر رهبر معظم انقلاب دارد

tejaratnews.com

Hossein Shariatmadari, the managing editor of Kayhan newspaper, stated that “the gap between Iran and the production of nuclear weapons is not a technological one, but a voluntary one.” He added:
“The Islamic Republic possesses the knowledge and technical capability to manufacture nuclear weapons. However, it is currently prohibited from doing so based on the decree of the martyred Leader [Imam Khamenei]. Any change in this decision rests with the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei.”

 

[MS Sandhu]

After 9/11, Pakistan had faced the 'stone age' threat and Pakistan was a declared nuclear power three years before. What did Pakistan do? Played along, bide its time, and today's Pakistan is militarily, economically, diplomatically much stronger than it was 25 years ago.
Smart, long term geopolitics --which, I dare say, the Iranians are only beginning to learn from their only real friend and the veterans of geopolitics: Pakistan!

If US again threatens Pakistan, what you think will be the response of Pakistan?
I bet they will still play along since Pakistan is much more volatile today than it was 20 years ago.
If US and Israel genuinely start destabilizing Pakistan, there are so many faultlines here that it will be crushed into statelets without firing a single bullet.

Iran, a state with legacy of thousands of years, is so conveniently choked politically, economically & militarily.
Pakistan may look powerful on paper but deep down, its a wounded state barely able to function.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

If US again threatens Pakistan, what you think will be the response of Pakistan?
I bet they will still play along since Pakistan is much more volatile today than it was 20 years ago.
If US and Israel genuinely start destabilizing Pakistan, there are so many faultlines here that it will be crushed into statelets without firing a single bullet.

Iran, a state with legacy of thousands of years, is so conveniently choked politically, economically & militarily.
Pakistan may look powerful on paper but deep down, its a wounded state barely able to function.

I am not aware on any direct attempts by the US to intentionally destabilize Pakistan.

Now, if you wish to argue that US policies sometimes contributed to instability inside Pakistan, then yes, I am likely to agree with you.

 

[Meengla]

However, when the appropriate time arrives, we take all necessary actions.
Hossein Shariatmadari, a figure closely affiliated with the hardline core of the regime, stated several years ago that Iran would attack israel. At the time, many did not believe his words. Yet today, Iran has conducted four attacks on zionist regime and struck its major cities and the war still counties.
The same individual remarked a few days ago that Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei may soon issue an order (or a fatwa) about nukes, which many are anticipating, as Iran’s conditions have significantly changed compared to the years 2001–2003 and we are fighting against two nuclear states

Iran has only attacked Israel directly as retaliations.
As for the Iranian nukes: That train left a long time ago with the Fatwa. Unless I don't know something, it is not just bringing to 90% enrichment but also credible delivery mechanism to go thousands of miles. It is not like N. Korea destroying the Americans, the South Korean, and the Japanese in N.K's vicinity.

If US again threatens Pakistan, what you think will be the response of Pakistan?
I bet they will still play along since Pakistan is much more volatile today than it was 20 years ago.
If US and Israel genuinely start destabilizing Pakistan, there are so many faultlines here that it will be crushed into statelets without firing a single bullet.

Offtopic but Pakistan will again play along. And why not? There is no geopolitical conflict of interest between Pakistan and America. There had never been! The only potential conflict could be Pakistan vs Israel.
But I think the Pakistan of 2026 is far more potent than the Pakistan of 2001.

 

[MS Sandhu]

I am not aware on any direct attempts by the US to intentionally destabilize Pakistan.

Now, if you wish to argue that US policies sometimes contributed to instability inside Pakistan, then yes, I am likely to agree with you.

There was "IF" in that sentence

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

There was "IF" in that sentence

Do you want to argue it then or not?

Did you not start your very own post off with "IF"? Why yes, yes you did:



You evidently like to ask a lot of "ifs". Not much in the way of "when" however.

 

[Flotilla]

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Third impact identified at US Air Base in Jordan

It now appears that Iran's strikes used 10 ballistic missiles and destroyed 3 separate hangars at the US base > 1000km away with extreme precision. Although Jordan claimed it intercepted 8/8 missiles.

I told you Irán in the coming days show which level of harm and pain can inflict Islamic Republic to their enemies.

 

[Meengla]

I am not aware on any direct attempts by the US to intentionally destabilize Pakistan.
Now, if you wish to argue that US policies sometimes contributed to instability inside Pakistan, then yes, I am likely to agree with you.

Aghh. We are getting into off topic territory but... It was not the blockade of the American Arms shipment to Pakistan during the Pak-India 1965 war, it was not the American fleet not coming to rescue Pakistan during the 1971 Pak-India war, it was not even the Pressler Amendment imposed on Pakistan over Pakistan's nukes in 1990--just after the Soviets left Afghanistan-- but it was in early 2010s when the Pak-America relations were the worst.

The Americans wanted Pakistanis to play the ball to give primacy to India regionally, which Pakistanis had refused: A forceful Pakistani involvement on the side of the Quisling regime of Ashraf Ghani against the Taliban would have crushed the Afghan Taliban resistance for decades to come, thus giving the Americans a reliable, strategic foothold in the region.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran privately told Trump advisers "they made a mistake" in shooting at ships in Strait of Hormuz​

Iranian officials privately told Trump advisers that they made a mistake in shooting at commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz, that the attacks stemmed from an "errant" sect of hardliners who are trying to undermine negotiations, and that they want to keep talking, senior U.S. officials said on Friday.

Iran privately told Trump advisers "they made a mistake" in shooting at ships in Strait of Hormuz

The White House wants Iran to publicly acknowledge that shooting at the ships was a mistake.

www.cbsnews.com

It is a bit childish to downgrade the iranian strategy just accusing hardliners with the attack.
Let me do a vice-versa interpretation. US cannot effectively destroy or secure the Straits of Hormuz and therefore they try to downgrade the iranian strategy.

 

[ShotErrorKh]

Its becoming increasingly clear the negotiators are just gonna agree to everything, I have no hope left at all way to waste 40d of supremacy in 3 weeks of cuck talks

 

[ShotErrorKh]

That is unless the supreme leader himself gets involved which is also highly unlikely bros acting like hes in occultation

 

[BHAN85]

Here is the Trita Parsi video I was referring to. It is important to watch for its current status and for long term outlook anyway but it also addresses the Iranian over reaction. I don't think Trita's credentials about peace can be doubted.
Iran does have a problem of chain of command and centers of power.

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I'm not sure but in worst case it would be about small weapons like shaheds.

You have concerns about what would happen if Iran develop nukes, but take as example a big weapon like long range ballistic missiles.

Nothing could be more uncontrollable in those supposed groups than hate to Israel.

But zero long range bm were launched against Israel in that uncontrolled way.

All Iran attacks against Israel were accurate retaliations.

So at least in big weapons like long range missiles, the Iranian chain of command seems to work fine.