Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Professor Jiang]

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Guy is an Israeli. This is clearly a brief that's gone out to the hasbara network.

 

[Hazard]

What a remarkably naive statement. “Oh yes, sit this one out” while Yemen blocks the Bab el-Mandeb and attacks Saudi oil terminals—to what end?

Saudi Arabia is Pakistan’s largest oil supplier and the biggest source of remittances, contributing around USD 6.5 billion annually. Any serious damage to the Saudi economy would have devastating consequences for Pakistan’s already fragile economy

And what's the alternative? Get involved in a mess that isn't our doing? Isn't this Saudis' problem to deal with? They should have thought about Mandeb or the affects on their economy before attacking their neighbour.

 

[the vicious kind]

They shouldn't host freemason enemies of Iran who attack Iran

Your Chahbahar port is funded by Muslim hating Indians and their PM Modi ( AKA butcher of gujrat ). Indians occupiers to this day maintain a ban on the historic 10th Muharram Ashoora procession in Srinagar and Indian Occupied Kashmir, but you will never see the Ayatollahs speak a word about because $$$$

 

[bafxet]

Saudi Arabia has officially attacked Yemen by bombing the Sana'a Airport.

Now Yemen has casus belli for attacking Saudi oil facilities, their oil pipeline and shutting down the Bab El-Mandeb.

We will soon find out how useful the Houthis are. And my guess is not much.

I understand that Marco Rubeo was there week ago.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

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[lightning f57]

The US did not break its part

That's blatantly false.

Point 1: The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war, by signing this MOU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon - Never happened - Israel just attacked 2 days ago.
Point 6: The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least $300 billion (£225 billion) for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. - Didnt happen
Point 7: The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran - Didnt happen

Point 11: The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of the MOU - Didnt happen

 

[hasn2009]

Your Chahbahar port is funded by Muslim hating Indians and their PM Modi ( AKA butcher of gujrat ). Indians occupiers to this day maintain a ban on the historic 10th Muharram Ashoora procession in Srinagar and Indian Occupied Kashmir, but you will never see the Ayatollahs speak a word about because $$$$

Stop lying:

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Your Chahbahar port is funded by Muslim hating Indians and their PM Modi ( AKA butcher of gujrat ). Indians occupiers to this day maintain a ban on the historic 10th Muharram Ashoora procession in Srinagar and Indian Occupied Kashmir, but you will never see the Ayatollahs speak a word about because $$$$

Iranian leadership always supported Kashmir

 

[Watandar]

And what's the alternative? Get involved in a mess that isn't our doing? Isn't this Saudis' problem to deal with? They should have thought about Mandeb or the affects on their economy before attacking their neighbour.

Yes, they want Pakistan to get kinetically involved in this conflict so as to protect "remittances".

 

[the vicious kind]

And what's the alternative? Get involved in a mess that isn't our doing? Isn't this Saudis' problem to deal with? They should have thought about Mandeb or the affects on their economy before attacking their neighbour.

Unfortunately, until Pakistan secures an alternative source of oil on deferred-payment terms, there is no realistic substitute.

For now, diplomacy is the best course of action...and Pakistan appears to be handling it well. However Yemenis arent really keen on diplomacy, and a large-scale Saudi-Yemen war could severely disrupt oil supplies, and Pakistan simply does not have sufficient reserves to absorb such a shock.

 

[Master Chief]

The MOU was signed between the US and Iran. The US did not break its part. Did Iran expect Israel to raise its hands as soon as it was signed? Did it not see the increasing friction between the US and Israel on it, the first time ever? Instead, it attacked those vessels and flung the US exactly where Israel wanted it. Foolishly threw the baby out with the bathwater. How did that serve Iran? I keep repeating this to emphasize that your premise is faulty. The question is not what Iran is justified to do but what will serve it best?



Not what I argued against, either. Morality, or even any treaty, holds no sway on the matter.

Iran knew exactly what the US response would be. Yet, it went ahead with it. To What End? The day that Iran has the means to pull this off, it can go back and do whatever it wants. Premature attempts will only delay it from achieving those means and make its people suffer needlessly.



Within their means while not jeopardizing what has already been achieved.



Who would you have picked to oppose, Iran or the US?



That exact belief is my contention. Iran cannot, to the extent that its hardliners and its posse here wish it could. Their political leadership knows this and was guiding them through it remarkably well until those vessels were hit.



They are, in power. One geriatric manchild can kill dozens of innocent Iranian children with impunity on a vile whim. The naivety is in pretending it's anything different. Taking sides is natural based on personal and national interests. The naivety of personal interests is another matter.



But naive. Leaves us throwing hissy fits after futile attempts to force it.

I'm going to ask you about your very first statement in light of the following text of the MoU:

"ARTICLE 1:

1 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies
in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of
Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts,
including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any
hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles."

Israel did fire upon Lebanese towns and kill Lebanese less than a day after the declaration was signed.

The rest of your post essentially tells me that ANY agreement between belligerent parties is pointless as all that matters is the innate strength to enforce said agreement by the involved parties (or perhaps by an external guarantor, but no such guarantor is possible in this case due to the strength of 1 of the parties). So, let us assume that all treaties are useless unless enforced, presumably violently, for the sake of argument. Be that as it may, I am not actually arguing against might being right or against the concept of a victor writing history as they see fit. I am pointing out to you that the "allies" of the USA broke the conditions of this agreement. Whether anyone can or even should remedy this matter is not relevant to my assertion.

 

[Abdul q]

Saudi Arabia humiliated themselves over literally nothing

Why didn't they bombed Hodeidah airport so that the Iranian plane doesn't land? Maybe the plane was too close and the fighter jets were too far from Hodeidah range

Unclear but they shot themselves in the foot

They have to prove they kiss a** better than anyone

 

[the vicious kind]

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Wasnt he there at the funeral?. seems like complete hogwash story to me.

 

[ShotErrorKh]

You sold us out in 1994, when you abstained from supporting a Pakistan-sponsored resolution on Kashmir at the UN. Pakistan on the other hand has provided key diplomatic backing to Iran at the UN multiple times.

Anyway, lets focus on Iran-US-Israel for now please...

Amazes me how Iran still chooses India over us even given Indias obsession with Israel and the fact that theyre gonna be making iron dome interceptors for them now, its insane. But on the other hand were no better either gargling on the balls of the americans every chance we get.

 

[Abdul q]

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100% agreed… even they have imams that ki** a** of foreigners